▲ 396 ▼ Not just AI. China is building technologies that challenge U.S. dominance: From batteries and solar panels to drones and satellites, China is building tech capabilities that extend well beyond AI. (restofworld.org) submitted 1 day ago by eicker@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 110 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] eicker@lemmy.world [S] -13 points 1 day ago (26 children) It isn’t. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (25 children) The less share of the pie America takes up, the less it can bully other countries into its evil bullshit. So yeah, this is objectively good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (24 children) I think their broader point was “it’s good till it isnt”. It feels like you’re looking at China as a savior. When instead it’s a “Oh, I wouldn’t say you’re free… more like under new management” scenario. They’re good till they aren’t, as we’ve seen with Taiwan. As much as globalization has connected us, we need to still focus on independent sustainability. Does that mean there becomes a lot of redundancies and costs, yes, but it also grants better independence as we’re clearly seeing what happens when a large power turns evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] story@lemmy.zip -1 points 21 hours ago* Independence, while not a fringe issue, is about as politically unpopular there as ICE is here, for different reasons. use whatever polls you want, or read their own stuff: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6395438 I think, like most global things Americans are passionate about, Taiwan doesn't want the freedom we want for them. The average resident just want tomorrow's experience to resemble today's, everyone should leave them alone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (22 children) How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? How about America? This is objectively a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (21 children) Physical destruction isn’t the only measurement. What has China done to the Uyghurs? More damage than a bomb there. What about Tibetans? Tienamen Square? There is also their indirect support Russia and that definitely does involve bombs. You can’t just brush it off because “they’re not directly dropping them”. Just because it’s not “shock and awe” doesn’t mean there isn’t death and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* Would you rather live in Xinjiang or in Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 day ago (14 children) Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death?? Fuck is wrong with you lol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (4 children) And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol. It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (25 children) The less share of the pie America takes up, the less it can bully other countries into its evil bullshit. So yeah, this is objectively good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (24 children) I think their broader point was “it’s good till it isnt”. It feels like you’re looking at China as a savior. When instead it’s a “Oh, I wouldn’t say you’re free… more like under new management” scenario. They’re good till they aren’t, as we’ve seen with Taiwan. As much as globalization has connected us, we need to still focus on independent sustainability. Does that mean there becomes a lot of redundancies and costs, yes, but it also grants better independence as we’re clearly seeing what happens when a large power turns evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] story@lemmy.zip -1 points 21 hours ago* Independence, while not a fringe issue, is about as politically unpopular there as ICE is here, for different reasons. use whatever polls you want, or read their own stuff: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6395438 I think, like most global things Americans are passionate about, Taiwan doesn't want the freedom we want for them. The average resident just want tomorrow's experience to resemble today's, everyone should leave them alone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (22 children) How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? How about America? This is objectively a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (21 children) Physical destruction isn’t the only measurement. What has China done to the Uyghurs? More damage than a bomb there. What about Tibetans? Tienamen Square? There is also their indirect support Russia and that definitely does involve bombs. You can’t just brush it off because “they’re not directly dropping them”. Just because it’s not “shock and awe” doesn’t mean there isn’t death and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* Would you rather live in Xinjiang or in Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 day ago (14 children) Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death?? Fuck is wrong with you lol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (4 children) And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol. It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (24 children) I think their broader point was “it’s good till it isnt”. It feels like you’re looking at China as a savior. When instead it’s a “Oh, I wouldn’t say you’re free… more like under new management” scenario. They’re good till they aren’t, as we’ve seen with Taiwan. As much as globalization has connected us, we need to still focus on independent sustainability. Does that mean there becomes a lot of redundancies and costs, yes, but it also grants better independence as we’re clearly seeing what happens when a large power turns evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] story@lemmy.zip -1 points 21 hours ago* Independence, while not a fringe issue, is about as politically unpopular there as ICE is here, for different reasons. use whatever polls you want, or read their own stuff: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6395438 I think, like most global things Americans are passionate about, Taiwan doesn't want the freedom we want for them. The average resident just want tomorrow's experience to resemble today's, everyone should leave them alone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (22 children) How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? How about America? This is objectively a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (21 children) Physical destruction isn’t the only measurement. What has China done to the Uyghurs? More damage than a bomb there. What about Tibetans? Tienamen Square? There is also their indirect support Russia and that definitely does involve bombs. You can’t just brush it off because “they’re not directly dropping them”. Just because it’s not “shock and awe” doesn’t mean there isn’t death and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* Would you rather live in Xinjiang or in Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 day ago (14 children) Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death?? Fuck is wrong with you lol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (4 children) And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol. It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] story@lemmy.zip -1 points 21 hours ago* Independence, while not a fringe issue, is about as politically unpopular there as ICE is here, for different reasons. use whatever polls you want, or read their own stuff: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6395438 I think, like most global things Americans are passionate about, Taiwan doesn't want the freedom we want for them. The average resident just want tomorrow's experience to resemble today's, everyone should leave them alone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (22 children) How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? How about America? This is objectively a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (21 children) Physical destruction isn’t the only measurement. What has China done to the Uyghurs? More damage than a bomb there. What about Tibetans? Tienamen Square? There is also their indirect support Russia and that definitely does involve bombs. You can’t just brush it off because “they’re not directly dropping them”. Just because it’s not “shock and awe” doesn’t mean there isn’t death and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* Would you rather live in Xinjiang or in Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 day ago (14 children) Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death?? Fuck is wrong with you lol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (4 children) And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol. It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (21 children) Physical destruction isn’t the only measurement. What has China done to the Uyghurs? More damage than a bomb there. What about Tibetans? Tienamen Square? There is also their indirect support Russia and that definitely does involve bombs. You can’t just brush it off because “they’re not directly dropping them”. Just because it’s not “shock and awe” doesn’t mean there isn’t death and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* Would you rather live in Xinjiang or in Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 day ago (14 children) Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death?? Fuck is wrong with you lol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (4 children) And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol. It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* Would you rather live in Xinjiang or in Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 day ago (14 children) Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death?? Fuck is wrong with you lol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (9 children) In all of history, the use of "re-education" has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 child) I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 13 hours ago* That's occupational re-education. That is a similar term but not what we're talking about here. The re-education in question is when colonizers invade a land, kill off natives, steal their children, and send those children to the invader's schools to be force-fit into their culture. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 day ago (6 children) Right, and it's immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (5 children) No it's not. It's not preferable at all, and neither are the other things. I'm against all of it. Your whataboutism means nothing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (4 children) Great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SarahValentine@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] VAK@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (3 children) Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it's up for debate I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago (2 children) Liberals deciding who deserves death, must be a day ending in Y. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (1 child) You have selected which is the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean everyone will make the same choice, that all. Also everyone decides who deserved to die, nothing special about "liberals" for that. (Also, are Americans liberal? I find all these political jargons confusing) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -1 points 15 hours ago Sorry about your shitty comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (4 children) And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol. It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) This doesn't have to be a simple dualism, there is a third option ie. it would be better for the US to lose power and others (not China) to gain power. The more equally power is distributed in the world the better a shot we have at balance. The last thing the world needs is a "G2". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago I disagree, lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 child) When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago I disagree, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent