I’m very much a luddite when it comes to AI, I’m unequivocally against its usage and development. The social and environmental costs AI incurs and proposes to incur are overwhelming. The celebration of AI with Chinese characteristics is often justified by the idea that AI can be useful, and the reason why it’s OK to be vehemently against it otherwise but support it when it’s being implemented by China is because AI can only be a force for evil within the capitalist framework. I agree with the latter point obviously but find it hard to accept that China driving AI advancement is a good thing for the world.

I don’t want to have a debate about whether China is a revisionist state, but I think we can all agree that China has refused to take the role of the Soviet Union in exporting socialism to the world. What happens when it exports AI to countries world over that very much operate within a capitalist framework while China does nothing to advance world wide socialism?

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[–] 29 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

environmental costs

China's models are afaik much less environmentally intensive and cheaper to operate, which means they are actually undermining the capitalist models and providing an alternative for users which is much less destructive. Unfortunately people are going to use it whether we like it or not, so having a Chinese alternative which isn't destroying the planet nearly as much is the only alternative to the maximally destructive alternatives.

Related to that, China's models getting better quicker could help to burst the AI bubble sooner which would be the best thing to happen to slow the capitalist march towards destruction. The people running the capitalist models are openly evil freaks and the only way to stop them aside from a revolution is for Chinese models to outperform the capitalist models, take market share from them, and show that the capitalist models are just worse in every way.

China is also regulating AI on the social side in a very progressive and pro social way, so they are also building a legislative and social framework of how to ensure AI is not having such negative social impacts.

It feels similar to nuclear deterrence. I'd rather no one has nukes, but the worst scenario is the US being the only one to have it

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 21 hours ago* (1 child)

    China is also regulating AI on the social side in a very progressive and pro social way

    How so? And this leads to my point. We can agree that there are negative social impacts, we can agree that China is mitigating them, but what of the workers of the rest of the world?

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  • [–] 17 points 21 hours ago

    On July 15, the Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC), China’s top internet regulator, brought its Interim Measures for the Administration of Anthropomorphic AI Interaction Services into effect. This law specifically regulates AI systems that simulate human personality traits, with the CAC introducing prohibited content, rules for minors, and highlighting necessary safety assessments for compliance, among others.

    Additionally, on May 8, the CAC, the National Development and Reform Commission, and the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology jointly released the Implementation Opinions on the Standardized Application and Innovative Development of Intelligent Agents. This marked China’s first comprehensive national policy framework specific to agentic AI, introducing tiered risk governance, priority scenarios, and “off-switches” for exigent circumstances.

    These are a couple quick examples I pulled up from Google but I saw another recently about AI generated slop content being regulated recently as well.

    but what of the workers of the rest of the world?

    I agree that all this is a huge problem and I am pretty anti AI outside of contexts that scientists and researchers are using it. Unfortunately the capitalist models are not going to stop so a Chinese counter is truly the only mitigation

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