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A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.

Our Philosophies:

All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.

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Higher wages for underpaid workers.
Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
Better and fewer working hours.
Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 child)

it suggests that (...) can be reformed.

it could. unfortunately the boss's dad owns the politicians making the law, so it won't be.

Only a complete revolution to collective worker ownership of the means of production can resolve the contradiction.

that's just delusional. if such thing happened, and every person in the world would get the same amount of money and means of production, it would only take time for those better at management/leadership to - again - have more than the others.

people are not equal. i am not taking position and claiming it is good/bad, but it is a fact, no matter how someone might not like it. and all this is not saying that the current system is not fucked up.

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[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

So de facto, due to structural issues inherent to the system, it can't be.

Marxists never claim that people are equal. The motto is, after all, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

There's a lot more I could say to dispute your understanding of socialist theory and history, but I don't have all day, so suffice to say: collective ownership of the means of production does not have the same structural tendency towards class formation as private ownership does.

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