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The bosses don't pay their workers. Workers pay their bosses. (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 5 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

I think it (maybe unintentionally) falls on the pro-capitalist side because it suggests that the fundamental contradiction of capitalism — that private ownership of the means of production inevitably leads to class-based unequal relationships to production — can be reformed. In reality, reforms are used by the capitalist class to placate workers and defuse revolutionary fervor, and are eroded almost immediately after passing. Only a complete revolution to collective worker ownership of the means of production can resolve the contradiction.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I meant because the trope of the poors being ignorant racists was a bit too hard to believe someone would want to admit to.

    "Yeah, that might work. But, here's the kicker. He voted for the same guy I did. The other candidate was promising tax reforms, enforcing anti-monopoly laws, etc. But, my guy got everyone scared about trans athletes and brown people crossing the border. My worker's a good guy, but he's super racist. As long as you're going after the brown people, that's what matters to him."

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 child)

    it suggests that (...) can be reformed.

    it could. unfortunately the boss's dad owns the politicians making the law, so it won't be.

    Only a complete revolution to collective worker ownership of the means of production can resolve the contradiction.

    that's just delusional. if such thing happened, and every person in the world would get the same amount of money and means of production, it would only take time for those better at management/leadership to - again - have more than the others.

    people are not equal. i am not taking position and claiming it is good/bad, but it is a fact, no matter how someone might not like it. and all this is not saying that the current system is not fucked up.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    <it could. unfortunately the boss’s dad owns the politicians making the law, so it won’t be.>

    So de facto, due to structural issues inherent to the system, it can't be.

    Marxists never claim that people are equal. The motto is, after all, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

    There's a lot more I could say to dispute your understanding of socialist theory and history, but I don't have all day, so suffice to say: collective ownership of the means of production does not have the same structural tendency towards class formation as private ownership does.

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