The motion, adopted at conference, removes a “blanket opposition to nuclear fission” and instead commits the Green party of England and Wales to assessing nuclear projects alongside other low-carbon technologies.

Its electricity generation policy still prioritises offshore wind, onshore wind and rooftop solar as the primary sources of electricity, but allows elected representatives to support new nuclear reactors on a case-by-case basis.

This was one or the few areas I didn't align with the Green Party before, as I believe that a bit of nuclear is kind of necessary to help round out less consistent energy sources as things stand. I think this is a reasonable stance.

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[–] 11 points 1 day ago (12 children)

a bit of nuclear is kind of necessary to help round out less consistent energy sources a

I really don't get how this argument still flies after all these years. From an economical perspective, nuclear is the worst type of energy generation you can pair renewables with. Putting the still unsolved nuclear waste debate aside for the moment, building nuclear plants is massively expensive and takes a lot of time, which is the exact opposite of what would complement renewables: Cheaply built capacity whose stand-by cost must be as low as possible.

Nuclear reactors need subsidies throughout its lifetime to compete with renewables on price and they need to run constantly.

Renewables already push the energy price into the negatives during peak production, so what you really need is batteries that can smooth out energy prices over a day or bridge a day with bad energy production, as well as energy generation that is cheap to build and keep in reserve, like gas plants that can burn a hydrogen mix.

When it comes to the economics, all nuclear power plants do is drive up the price set by renewables. England may have need for some nuclear power plants to keep up their stockpile of nuclear weapons, but when it comes to energy generation, hydrogen-burning powerplants will fit the need of renewable energy production much better in tge future.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Saying nuclear is unfeasible because building new plants is too expensive and takes too long is like saying swimming is too hard; but then it turns out you insist on carrying a 100lb anchor whenever you get in the water.

    The reason it's expensive and takes a long time is because of the absolutely massive amount of red tape built up over the years. Some red tape is obviously a good thing, but fear around the word "nuclear" has caused so many unnecessary regulations, committees, and testing that it causes plants to take 5x what they should cost and 10x the time.

    Literally having to build safety mechanisms and procedures for failures that aren't even physically possible. All because the average person knows jack shit about nuclear power.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    And who do you trust to cut down the red tape? The conservatives that promised to cut red type through brexit? Only to increase it many-fold after they were confronted with the reality everyone warned them about, that completely divorcing from the EU single marketwould be ruinous for the UK, so they were forced to put in place a bunch of half-measures to still keep access to the EU.

    And what red tape are we talking about? There must be a list of unecessary red tape. I'd like to see a public debate around what rules to cut, rather than trusting the next conservative promising to just get rid of all the bureaucracy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    You're not exactly wrong, nuclear is a terrible pairing with renewables for the reasons you listed, but it's still probably cheaper than batteries under extreme conditions, which is something we do have to deal with.

    90% renewables is cheap, 99% is more expensive, 100% is really really expensive. Batteries are great for 24 hour storage, but storing energy for longer starts to become uneconomical and to hit 100% you have to buy enough capacity for the absolute worst case scenario. Anything that baseline nuclear cuts off from renewable demand is potentially cheaper than the theoretical worst case 1% of renewables (eg if there's no wind and it's cloudy mid-winter, how much solar/wind do you need to power the country, or how much battery do you need to maintain power for weeks under these conditions?).

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  • [–] 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Batteries are cheap and getting cheaper every day.

    Solar + battery are already cheaper than every other option. Sodium batteries are getting close to lithium in energy density while using much cheaper materials that are easily attainable worldwide and they have almost zero chance of combustion.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 child)

    That is exactly why I said that under current economic forces, building hydrogen-capable gas plants is the most cost-effective way of dealing with longer, but much rarer periods of low renewable energy output. They combine "low" standby costs and can be throttled within minutes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    How easy is it to recycle batteries?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    For most type of batteries, relatively "easy", that means you will recoved 99% of resources. The cost can be somewhat prohibitive, as using newely refined base materials can be cheaper.

    Wikipedia is a good place to start if you are interested!

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