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Greens Pass ‘Zionism Is Racism’ Motion at Party Conference (novaramedia.com)
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[–] 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I read most of your link, and none of it is about a 2-state solution, such a massive waste of time. You even have to lie for your argument about what Palestinians believe.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pew-poll-finds-majority-of-israelis-and-palestinian-say-two-state-coexistence-impossible/

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 child)

    You must have not read it very well then:

    Palestinian-Israeli Relations and the Peace Process: Support for the two-state solution stands at 44%, while 50% oppose it—virtually unchanged from ten months earlier. Yet support for a specific two-state formula based on the 1967 borders is considerably higher, at 56%, including 61% in Gaza. Confederation receives 14% and a single democratic state with equal rights 10%. At the same time, 58% believe the two-state solution is no longer practical because of settlement expansion, and 64% see little or no chance of an independent Palestinian state emerging within five years.

    You'll notice that the 44% (and 56% with 1967 borders) support for a two state solution is significantly more than the 10% for a single state with equal rights. You'll also notice that the above exert says mostly the same thing as that Pew Research poll you linked.

    But yeah, accuse me of lying about what Palestinians believe by providing a source that asks a different question. 'Do you want a two state solution' vs 'do you think a two state solution is realistic' are not the same question, nor is the latter evidence that Palestinians want a one state solution like you originally claimed.

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  • [–] 0 points 12 hours ago

    You are correct I did not read that part it is far down.

    Your suggestion is still misframed becauses Palestinians believe it is impossible and will never happen too. Even in your link:

    At the same time, 58% believe the two-state solution is no longer practical because of settlement expansion

    A two state solution has been rendered impossible because it would only work by expelling all the colonists that have stolen Palestinian land in the West Bank.

    Most Palestinians would prefer the knee of their occupier of their necks rather than having to die for full restitution of their rights. That is why they would be willing to concede some land. But that does not change that all of Palestine still belongs to them.

    There is no reason to start off from a softer position in international politics than demanding all that belongs to Palestinians be returned to them unless Palestinians make a deal with Israel to divide the land. Israel is currently in a position to do that but unless they are under pressure they will never make such a deal. One should not concede that Israel has the right to any part of Palestine as a starting position.

    If Israel fails to make a deal while they have the upper hand then their right to any land entirely falls off.

    If you oppose Zionism then you cannot start off from the position that a racist genocidal ethnostate should exist next to Palestine. Do you think Palestinians would want a two state solution if they gained the upper hand militarily? As if Jews wanted a Nazi Germany right next to them.

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