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[–] 1 point 1 day ago (4 children)

They're the same as on an ICE, There's little to no difference between ICE and EV on the low-voltage 12VDC systems.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    Sure, but old ICE without this surveillance trash exists.

    I mention EVs because there are no EVs without this surveillance trash, afaik

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    You are pretty much relegated to cars that are +25 years old to get them without any monitoring at all, and depending on where you live in the world, these are almost exclusively rusty pieces of shit (thanks road salt). And buying that old cars comes with all the maintenance and reliability issues (especially during winter time). If you go newer than that you can get an original Nissan Leaf or something, that's probably the best option (and it's really kinda shitty)

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