▲ 144 ▼ Returning from vacation? The government can search your phone without a warrant. (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 day ago by schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de to c/privacy@lemmy.world 49 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (13 children) Wasn't a guy persecuted for using kill switch just for that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children) Yep, specifically for entering providing the duress password for the ICEstapo agent to into his phone that had GrapheneOS on it to wipe it before handing it over to it was taken by the authorities. Which led to DHS/CBP prosecuting him for "evidence tampering". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure the LEO entered the password, he just provided it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 8 points 23 hours ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) I'd still rather wipe my phone than openly give it to authorities. Guy should have had a better lawyer. Being arrested for evidence tampering when there is no crime is practically the same as being arrested with the only charge being resisting arrest. Good lawyer gets that case thrown out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago He's going to be prosecuted, whether he's found guilty and what he's found guilty of is still TBD permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -4 points 23 hours ago (6 children) No. They already had him and the device, and he gave them the wipe pin when they asked him for the unlock pin. That's destruction of evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 14 hours ago* (1 child) Destruction of what evidence? They didn't have the phone unlocked. How do they even know anything was destroyed? They've got nothing and it's going be dismissed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 14 hours ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children) Yep, specifically for entering providing the duress password for the ICEstapo agent to into his phone that had GrapheneOS on it to wipe it before handing it over to it was taken by the authorities. Which led to DHS/CBP prosecuting him for "evidence tampering". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure the LEO entered the password, he just provided it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 8 points 23 hours ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) I'd still rather wipe my phone than openly give it to authorities. Guy should have had a better lawyer. Being arrested for evidence tampering when there is no crime is practically the same as being arrested with the only charge being resisting arrest. Good lawyer gets that case thrown out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure the LEO entered the password, he just provided it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 8 points 23 hours ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 8 points 23 hours ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) I'd still rather wipe my phone than openly give it to authorities. Guy should have had a better lawyer. Being arrested for evidence tampering when there is no crime is practically the same as being arrested with the only charge being resisting arrest. Good lawyer gets that case thrown out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago He's going to be prosecuted, whether he's found guilty and what he's found guilty of is still TBD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -4 points 23 hours ago (6 children) No. They already had him and the device, and he gave them the wipe pin when they asked him for the unlock pin. That's destruction of evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 14 hours ago* (1 child) Destruction of what evidence? They didn't have the phone unlocked. How do they even know anything was destroyed? They've got nothing and it's going be dismissed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 14 hours ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 14 hours ago* (1 child) Destruction of what evidence? They didn't have the phone unlocked. How do they even know anything was destroyed? They've got nothing and it's going be dismissed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 14 hours ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 14 hours ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 22 hours ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent