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[–] 96 points 1 day ago (15 children)

The only thing they "love" about them is they can potentially afford one.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 day ago (12 children)

    I don't know about that. A place near me did that thing where they made little apartments out of shipping containers. Like a dozen of them in a half circle in a lot somewhere. I checked them out. They're $960 a month. Not including utilities. For a shipping container.

    Also yeah no parking.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    From what I read, the shipping container thing was a terrible idea because they aren't that spacious especially when you still have to insulate them and guess what medal is really good at transferring.

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  • Shipping containers are a bad idea because 1) you need to cut holes for doors/windows and that destroys the stack ability, 2) any shipping container old enough to not be resellable (and therefore costly) is not in a good condition to make a house out of, 3) you still need a foundation and pipes/power so you're not saving that much money compared to a wood frame, and 4) steel sucks at insulation like you said (not to mention shipping containers don't have eaves).

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    The talk about containers as housing made me think about how at least here in Sweden we use modular baracks that can quickly be assembled at job sites, they contain everything from offices, to showers, to kitchens, to toilets, to personal rooms and more.

    These have wooden walls, are insulated, can easily be put up with interior doors between the modules, you can stack them, some even have interior staircases.

    These are insanely common here, if you need to cheaply house people, using these modular units seems far better than using containers.

    I am sure there would be a market for redeveloping units into apartments.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Oof. There's a place not too far from me that turned shipping containers into some experience motel thing. Also expensive. I'm sure there's some novelty in sleeping in a poorly insulated, poorly ventilated metal box, but certainly not one I'd pay a premium for

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Shipping containers are horrible for that. They're metal so they rust and people that convert them tend to get older ones in bad shape. They don't breathe so you have to worry about ventilation and sealing the metal before even building otherwise they start to rust even quicker.

    Theres basically no cost savings to using one compared to building the exact same space using stick-frame construction. Theres a reason why stick-frame is the reigning champion for affordable homes after millennia of evolution. It's really the best way (in the North American climate) to build a cheap house. Things like how comfortable, energy efficient, safe are all matters of addressing the local climate and there are solutions to all those issues.

    1. Cold climates get more insulation and the plumbing is ran in interior walls to protect against freezing, the foundation goes down below the frost line.
    2. Stick frame is infinitely customizable and even micro homes can be made (usually its an issue of the locality prohibiting such small housing.)
    3. Live in tornado alley? We can add a tornado shelter under your garage floor if you don't want to build a full basement. Living in Florida where you can't dig a basement cause the water table is so high but you want protection from hurricane winds? Well we can build with hurricane screws which hold everything together better and even add metal storm shutters to windows.
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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    About how much overall cost does hurricane proofing a house add to buliding it? Would the same techniques for hurricane proofing work in tornado zones (barring a direct hit)?

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

    No, tornadoes are localized decimation, hurricanes are much larger but do less targeted damage. I've seen houses survive hurricanes, many do. If your house took a direct hit from a tornado without need for massive repairs you consider that your miracle.

    Edit: apparently there are light damage tornadoes. The Enhanced Fujita Scale is used to describe tornado intensity in destruction. Ultimately though the point remains, that tornadoes are a lot more likely to do more direct wind damage to whatever they hit

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    the problem from hurricanes is mostly flooding, where most of the damage comes from.

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  • [–] 1 point 14 minutes ago

    Yeah, they can rip your siding or roof off if your house hasn't been designed for them (and if you live where they usually hit your house should be), and major hurricanes can beat that hurricane proofing. I've seen the dry remnants of a hurricane do some pretty nasty damage like that. But yeah it's mostly flooding that's the problem where hurricanes tend to be.

    Tornadoes on the other hand, are a lot less likely to hit any building in its path, don't flood (meaning underground shelters are safer), and when they hit your home are a lot more likely to look like a bomb went off

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Not really sure. Some stuff like the hurricane screws is something typically only for new builds. Stuff like storm shutters are fairly common add-ons in Florida. All these tweaks are added costs, adding extra insulation in colder climates adds costs too but the point is that modern construction techniques have evolved to address pretty much every scenario you can think of. Thats why things like shipping container houses are stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    That observation is common but provably false. You can talk to millions of people around the world who genuinely want or own a small house because it simplifies their life. That's reality.

    Obviously many people want 2000 square foot mansions. Especially in North America. But many others do not.

    The interesting question is how big or small is good... For example, if you were living alone, would you want 750 square feet? 1000 square feet? Larger? And if so, what the fuck would you do with all the extra rooms? ... Seriously, I have no idea what I would do with more than one guest room. For me, kitchen + living room + 2 bedrooms is more than enough, and it's not like the bedrooms need to be very big.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago

    Office and workshop space are big ones for me. Office sure is just another room but workshops... Well it mostly seems like you can never have enough workshop space.

    As for provable reality, please provide some evidence for this claim.

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