▲ 411 ▼ I don't like passkeys | Ethan Hawksley (hawksley.dev) submitted 2 weeks ago by lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 171 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ouch@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (15 children) Good article. Currently passkeys are too much of a vendor lock-in to big tech. Bitwarden support alone does not change that. permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] turmacar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (5 children) I agree the passkey user experience needs work, but man do I enjoy it over the haphazard 'passwordless' website login that just sends you an email. I get it, they're just skipping an attack vector and basically relying only on '2FA'. But now I have to go to a different app/tab, copy a code, and return to the site instead of letting the password manager fill stuff in for me. Some, like kickstarter, let you still have a 2FA code enabled so you have to grab your code from whichever authenticator and go to your email. Really nice login experience out of nowhere one day. \s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) The best implementation of this I've seen has to be Ghost, an open source self-hostable newsletter/patreon thing. They detect what email provider you have and when you enter your email, will display a link to open your inbox. It's super neat, and I haven't seen it anywhere else, and I'm also not sure how they do it. For something self-hostable, I'll definitely take one less attack vector. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Doesn't help if you're not using a huge provider such as Gmail or Hotmail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago It worked with ProtonMail permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) A DNS lookup on a domain says who runs the email server for email users on that domain (that's how email senders figures out how to send you messages), and if that host is a known one then you can just pull the link to show. If you're self hosting email then a few solutions can be recognized and login shown by guessing that the email software's default URL pattern is used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago I figured it was something like that, thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 weeks ago (5 children) Microsoft 365 implementation of passkeys is sacrilegious somehow. It requires only the Authenticator app from Microsoft and can use nothing else to create the passkey. The way this is implemented on iOS means that Authenticator comes up as an autofill option BUT IT ONLY SUPPORTS M365 and is useless for anything else. Leave it to Microsoft to take an open standard and bastardize it to the point of it being MORE CONVENIENT to just type a damn password. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tehBishop@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) The authenticator requirement was for regular MFA, with passkey you can use others like yubikey. BUT your admin can lock it to certain vendors so they could have selected Microsoft only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 weeks ago I’m the admin. Every time I try to open it up, I only get guides for doing it on a regular, personal MS account. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children) Wait, you type passwords? KeePassXC's auto-type awaits! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You realize password managers just open up another attack vector right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago Gather round everyone, "ILikeBoobies" is giving tech security advice! 👂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) bitwarden went from working great to buggy on browsers. sometimes the browser passes the request to the extension but most times goes to the os permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) What browser permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago i have had issues on Firefox, Chrome and Safari between Windows, Linux, and macOS permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (5 children) I agree the passkey user experience needs work, but man do I enjoy it over the haphazard 'passwordless' website login that just sends you an email. I get it, they're just skipping an attack vector and basically relying only on '2FA'. But now I have to go to a different app/tab, copy a code, and return to the site instead of letting the password manager fill stuff in for me. Some, like kickstarter, let you still have a 2FA code enabled so you have to grab your code from whichever authenticator and go to your email. Really nice login experience out of nowhere one day. \s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) The best implementation of this I've seen has to be Ghost, an open source self-hostable newsletter/patreon thing. They detect what email provider you have and when you enter your email, will display a link to open your inbox. It's super neat, and I haven't seen it anywhere else, and I'm also not sure how they do it. For something self-hostable, I'll definitely take one less attack vector. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Doesn't help if you're not using a huge provider such as Gmail or Hotmail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago It worked with ProtonMail permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) A DNS lookup on a domain says who runs the email server for email users on that domain (that's how email senders figures out how to send you messages), and if that host is a known one then you can just pull the link to show. If you're self hosting email then a few solutions can be recognized and login shown by guessing that the email software's default URL pattern is used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago I figured it was something like that, thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) The best implementation of this I've seen has to be Ghost, an open source self-hostable newsletter/patreon thing. They detect what email provider you have and when you enter your email, will display a link to open your inbox. It's super neat, and I haven't seen it anywhere else, and I'm also not sure how they do it. For something self-hostable, I'll definitely take one less attack vector. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Doesn't help if you're not using a huge provider such as Gmail or Hotmail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago It worked with ProtonMail permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) A DNS lookup on a domain says who runs the email server for email users on that domain (that's how email senders figures out how to send you messages), and if that host is a known one then you can just pull the link to show. If you're self hosting email then a few solutions can be recognized and login shown by guessing that the email software's default URL pattern is used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago I figured it was something like that, thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Doesn't help if you're not using a huge provider such as Gmail or Hotmail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago It worked with ProtonMail permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago It worked with ProtonMail permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) A DNS lookup on a domain says who runs the email server for email users on that domain (that's how email senders figures out how to send you messages), and if that host is a known one then you can just pull the link to show. If you're self hosting email then a few solutions can be recognized and login shown by guessing that the email software's default URL pattern is used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago I figured it was something like that, thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago I figured it was something like that, thanks for the explanation! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 weeks ago (5 children) Microsoft 365 implementation of passkeys is sacrilegious somehow. It requires only the Authenticator app from Microsoft and can use nothing else to create the passkey. The way this is implemented on iOS means that Authenticator comes up as an autofill option BUT IT ONLY SUPPORTS M365 and is useless for anything else. Leave it to Microsoft to take an open standard and bastardize it to the point of it being MORE CONVENIENT to just type a damn password. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tehBishop@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) The authenticator requirement was for regular MFA, with passkey you can use others like yubikey. BUT your admin can lock it to certain vendors so they could have selected Microsoft only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 weeks ago I’m the admin. Every time I try to open it up, I only get guides for doing it on a regular, personal MS account. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children) Wait, you type passwords? KeePassXC's auto-type awaits! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You realize password managers just open up another attack vector right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago Gather round everyone, "ILikeBoobies" is giving tech security advice! 👂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tehBishop@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) The authenticator requirement was for regular MFA, with passkey you can use others like yubikey. BUT your admin can lock it to certain vendors so they could have selected Microsoft only. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 weeks ago I’m the admin. Every time I try to open it up, I only get guides for doing it on a regular, personal MS account. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 weeks ago I’m the admin. Every time I try to open it up, I only get guides for doing it on a regular, personal MS account. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children) Wait, you type passwords? KeePassXC's auto-type awaits! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You realize password managers just open up another attack vector right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago Gather round everyone, "ILikeBoobies" is giving tech security advice! 👂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You realize password managers just open up another attack vector right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago Gather round everyone, "ILikeBoobies" is giving tech security advice! 👂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago Gather round everyone, "ILikeBoobies" is giving tech security advice! 👂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) bitwarden went from working great to buggy on browsers. sometimes the browser passes the request to the extension but most times goes to the os permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) What browser permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago i have had issues on Firefox, Chrome and Safari between Windows, Linux, and macOS permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) What browser permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago i have had issues on Firefox, Chrome and Safari between Windows, Linux, and macOS permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago i have had issues on Firefox, Chrome and Safari between Windows, Linux, and macOS permalink fedilink source parent