▲ 46 ▼ Why Europe has been absent from the great AI safety debate: shun the technology and lose out on growth; or embrace it and become dependent on tools developed by the US and China. (www.theguardian.com) submitted 1 week ago by eicker@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 33 points 1 week ago (10 children) I haven't seen any productivity or growth from AI. All I see is increased liabilities and failures. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago* (6 children) I know I'm going to catch flak for it, but I definitely see use cases where LLMs (AI hasn't been invented yet) do increase productivity. All my devs use them for their daily work and haven't once questioned that it's useful. However, they know when to use LLMs and when not too. That is definitely not the case for the general populace and is further accentuated by big tech unnecessarily cramming that stuff in everything. That's what's creating an ecological and societal issue that's rightfully driving the negative sentiments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) All my devs use them for their daily work and haven’t once questioned that it’s useful. Not questioned that it's useful or just told you what you want to hear? I would argue that it's the latter, being driven by fear of losing their jobs especially given the current state of the tech sector with the amount of layoffs of devs due to them being replaced by AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago Nothing I could tell you could prove we're not that kind of company without doxxing myself. I can just tell you that I'm usually the first person trying to dispel the illusion that LLMs can replace people. Wether people like it or not, it's a powerful and helpful tool in the right hands, that is changing day to day workflows. Wether people like it or not, it remains nothing more than a tool, that needs the right skills and settings, nothing revolutionary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Apparently you don't follow the news about software vulnerabilities. Since LLMs started replacing coders the number has skyrocketed. I've also seen more consumers abstaining from online platforms than ever because they know, they don't think they know, that sloppers such as yourself will not hesitate to sell off their face and identity to Peter Theil the billionnaire nazi. AI doesn't have a use case aside from disinformation, it's a net negative on society by a lot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago There are responsible and irresponsible ways to use LLMs to code. Of course, the irresponsible ways are also the cheapest. Your problem is with short sighted profit-maximizing capitalism, not LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Naich@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) An LLM is basically a glorified autocomplete. Ideal for writing standard code blocks and automating repetitive tasks. It's a bit like getting a trainee to bash out stuff that doesn't require much thought. Using it to write your entire codebase and calling it "vibe coding" is like getting a trainee to write your entire codebase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago* A trainee at least has morals. An LLM could result in human deaths or millions in property losses and be like: "You're absolutely right. I completely misread the situation. Here's why:" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then you have either literally not even tried to look, or are objectively ignoring reality in favor of personal biases and possibly xenophobia. There's plenty of issues, water problems, power problems, ethical concerns, etc. But claiming there's been no productivity, growth or progress caused by LLM technology is objectively wrong. It's like claiming that nuclear research brought zero benefits just because you disagree with nukes. It's objectively on every level, retarded as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] antonim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago and possibly xenophobia Bruh what permalink fedilink source parent [–] DrCake@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago I agree with your point but “xenophobia”? Come on man, what are you smoking? Also loads of people just don’t have a day-to-day use case for LLM’s, doesn’t make them stupid/retarded for never seeing any upside and only see the downsides. Explaining what you use it for and its pros is a much better argument permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago* (6 children) I know I'm going to catch flak for it, but I definitely see use cases where LLMs (AI hasn't been invented yet) do increase productivity. All my devs use them for their daily work and haven't once questioned that it's useful. However, they know when to use LLMs and when not too. That is definitely not the case for the general populace and is further accentuated by big tech unnecessarily cramming that stuff in everything. That's what's creating an ecological and societal issue that's rightfully driving the negative sentiments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) All my devs use them for their daily work and haven’t once questioned that it’s useful. Not questioned that it's useful or just told you what you want to hear? I would argue that it's the latter, being driven by fear of losing their jobs especially given the current state of the tech sector with the amount of layoffs of devs due to them being replaced by AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago Nothing I could tell you could prove we're not that kind of company without doxxing myself. I can just tell you that I'm usually the first person trying to dispel the illusion that LLMs can replace people. Wether people like it or not, it's a powerful and helpful tool in the right hands, that is changing day to day workflows. Wether people like it or not, it remains nothing more than a tool, that needs the right skills and settings, nothing revolutionary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Apparently you don't follow the news about software vulnerabilities. Since LLMs started replacing coders the number has skyrocketed. I've also seen more consumers abstaining from online platforms than ever because they know, they don't think they know, that sloppers such as yourself will not hesitate to sell off their face and identity to Peter Theil the billionnaire nazi. AI doesn't have a use case aside from disinformation, it's a net negative on society by a lot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago There are responsible and irresponsible ways to use LLMs to code. Of course, the irresponsible ways are also the cheapest. Your problem is with short sighted profit-maximizing capitalism, not LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Naich@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) An LLM is basically a glorified autocomplete. Ideal for writing standard code blocks and automating repetitive tasks. It's a bit like getting a trainee to bash out stuff that doesn't require much thought. Using it to write your entire codebase and calling it "vibe coding" is like getting a trainee to write your entire codebase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago* A trainee at least has morals. An LLM could result in human deaths or millions in property losses and be like: "You're absolutely right. I completely misread the situation. Here's why:" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) All my devs use them for their daily work and haven’t once questioned that it’s useful. Not questioned that it's useful or just told you what you want to hear? I would argue that it's the latter, being driven by fear of losing their jobs especially given the current state of the tech sector with the amount of layoffs of devs due to them being replaced by AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago Nothing I could tell you could prove we're not that kind of company without doxxing myself. I can just tell you that I'm usually the first person trying to dispel the illusion that LLMs can replace people. Wether people like it or not, it's a powerful and helpful tool in the right hands, that is changing day to day workflows. Wether people like it or not, it remains nothing more than a tool, that needs the right skills and settings, nothing revolutionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago Nothing I could tell you could prove we're not that kind of company without doxxing myself. I can just tell you that I'm usually the first person trying to dispel the illusion that LLMs can replace people. Wether people like it or not, it's a powerful and helpful tool in the right hands, that is changing day to day workflows. Wether people like it or not, it remains nothing more than a tool, that needs the right skills and settings, nothing revolutionary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Apparently you don't follow the news about software vulnerabilities. Since LLMs started replacing coders the number has skyrocketed. I've also seen more consumers abstaining from online platforms than ever because they know, they don't think they know, that sloppers such as yourself will not hesitate to sell off their face and identity to Peter Theil the billionnaire nazi. AI doesn't have a use case aside from disinformation, it's a net negative on society by a lot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago There are responsible and irresponsible ways to use LLMs to code. Of course, the irresponsible ways are also the cheapest. Your problem is with short sighted profit-maximizing capitalism, not LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago There are responsible and irresponsible ways to use LLMs to code. Of course, the irresponsible ways are also the cheapest. Your problem is with short sighted profit-maximizing capitalism, not LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Naich@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) An LLM is basically a glorified autocomplete. Ideal for writing standard code blocks and automating repetitive tasks. It's a bit like getting a trainee to bash out stuff that doesn't require much thought. Using it to write your entire codebase and calling it "vibe coding" is like getting a trainee to write your entire codebase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago* A trainee at least has morals. An LLM could result in human deaths or millions in property losses and be like: "You're absolutely right. I completely misread the situation. Here's why:" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago* A trainee at least has morals. An LLM could result in human deaths or millions in property losses and be like: "You're absolutely right. I completely misread the situation. Here's why:" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then you have either literally not even tried to look, or are objectively ignoring reality in favor of personal biases and possibly xenophobia. There's plenty of issues, water problems, power problems, ethical concerns, etc. But claiming there's been no productivity, growth or progress caused by LLM technology is objectively wrong. It's like claiming that nuclear research brought zero benefits just because you disagree with nukes. It's objectively on every level, retarded as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] antonim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago and possibly xenophobia Bruh what permalink fedilink source parent [–] DrCake@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago I agree with your point but “xenophobia”? Come on man, what are you smoking? Also loads of people just don’t have a day-to-day use case for LLM’s, doesn’t make them stupid/retarded for never seeing any upside and only see the downsides. Explaining what you use it for and its pros is a much better argument permalink fedilink source parent
[–] antonim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago and possibly xenophobia Bruh what permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrCake@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago I agree with your point but “xenophobia”? Come on man, what are you smoking? Also loads of people just don’t have a day-to-day use case for LLM’s, doesn’t make them stupid/retarded for never seeing any upside and only see the downsides. Explaining what you use it for and its pros is a much better argument permalink fedilink source parent