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[–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (5 children)

what they process and companies behind what goes in the dc’s does

Yes but there's literally zero incentive for those people to be in Dalby. They'll be in Brisbane, or Sydney...or Singapore.

If we’re going to be using trillions of tokens we should be powering them with our own equipment and ideally powering them with renewables

Sure, if we really need datacentres for the purposes of AI slop, then it's better if they're on renewables. Which is yet another reason this is a bad idea.

The proposed Western Downs digital park...will connect to the Braemar power station

It's an absolute hard no from me on those grounds. We need to be drastically slashing our fossil fuel dependence. There's no excuse for increasing any use of fossil fuels in 2026.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    so you propose to increase coal use then

    it is one or the other

    either gas with renewables in Australia or coal in america

    i hope not to remind you that we are increasing our renewables % every year

    https://openelectricity.org.au/

    and we frequently have days where we have too much power and nothing to do with it? (like today)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    so you propose to increase coal use then

    No. That's what you propose. By supporting this datacentre being built without a hard requirement of being 100% renewables.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    the dc gets built here or it gets built in the usa

    the decision is for you to decide, who is more likely to get onto full renewables first, america or australia?

    you can say america if you want, maybe they elect a tree hugging hippie next and we elect hanson

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    They build it where they think it'll being them the most profit. Every denial reduces the profitability and thus reduces the amount they'll invest in data centres in the future. It's obviously a good thing, if you are opposed to increasing use of fossil fuels, to deny a permit to a building that will burn heaps of fossil fuels.

    Your comment is the same kind of bullshit nonsense that leads some morons to saying things like "it's ok that we send weapons to aid Israel's genocide of Palestinians. If we didn't, someone else would." Or "we don't have to worry about our coal exports to other countries when accounting for our climate change impact. If we didn't sell it to them, someone else would."

    It's obviously wrong, arrived at purely thanks to some incredible motivated reasoning.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Every denial reduces the profitability and thus reduces the amount they’ll invest in data centres in the future

    Your plan, if i understand it correctly, is hoping that if we deny them building a data centre here running off of renewables for ever increasing amounts of time... that they will at some point in the future have less money to invest in data centres and that will slow down emissions at some point in the future? The emissions that are stacking up now you're not bothered with?

    “we don’t have to worry about our coal exports to other countries when accounting for our climate change impact. If we didn’t sell it to them, someone else would.”

    That's because we're not the ones burning the coal, it's the countries we are shipping it to

    In theory we can send a trillion tons of coal to indonesia, if they don't stick it in the microwave there's no co2 emissions

    Which furthers what I'm saying, countries need to take responsibility for themselves, we Australians are burning trillions of tokens every year, we should be taking responsibility for our own emissions, not greenwashing ourselves and putting the co2 tab on America as you are doing

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