naevaTheRat comments on Paul Keating says Aukus locking Australia into a US war against China, which it would ‘certainly lose’

Paul Keating says Aukus locking Australia into a US war against China, which it would ‘certainly lose’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/australianpolitics@aussie.zone

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He's a bit of a prick but he's not wrong. I wonder what Rudd would think were he not currently a diplomat.

Both were pretty clear-eyed about the opportunities of working with China and the futility of standing against them given the insignificance of Australia as anything but a weapons platform for the imperial machine of the USA.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

They did not invade Hongkong the British had a 99 year lease and china had sovereignty.

You can not like that, or how reintegration was done, but it doesn't make it an invasion.

I'm not going to engage in good faith if you are going to be histrionic and disingenuous.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

who do you think is more likely to attack us, china or the usa?

if/when china invades democratic taiwan, what do you think we should do?

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 3 weeks ago (7 children)

That is invalid framing. I do not think it is likely that china will attack us, I think the alliances we are in and hosting usa military shit makes it more likely, I think it is fairly likely (say >2% in 50 years) that we will declare war on china.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

no worries 🙈

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (5 children)

You tell me, if you're confident in your opinion it must be because you've researched it a lot and are well informed about their military posture. why would they?

Be concrete, what would they gain? How much would it cost? How long would the war be? What would the attack look like? What forces would be involved?

I think you're operating in the idealism land of china bad us good evil vs good is why war. Can you actually state your position and reasoning in material terms?

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

sorry no im of the belief that despite the usa being a backwards country lead by a retard, Australia culturally is far similar and closer (some would argue we are too close) to america than china

china as mildly as you’ve made them seem is still an authoritarian dictatorship, if criticising dickfingers carried the same penalty as criticising jingping lemmy would have been deleted and we’d all be dead or in jail

in terms of invasion it depends on how we respond to the invasion of taiwan, if we send a strongly worded letter then i assume we’ll largely be spared, but if we get involved i don’t know how it ends

but i would never ever underestimate the worlds second strongest army with the worlds strongest by far manufacturing capacity

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