PS: The point here is NOT that poor people shouldn't have kids, it's that no one should be having kids without having the basics of childcare covered, which necessitates widespread systemic, societal, and economic change so that no parent needs to worry about those basics, and kids can grow up in secure, healthy environments. I completely forgot to mention this when I originally posted it, and that's my bad.

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[–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Okay... But there's so much more to life than that.

People work jobs they enjoy, have relationships, have experiences and generally love living.

To arbitrarily deny someone existence because of a shadow focused view of the world or an imagined joyless experience is at best pessimistic and at worst a projection of the parents fears onto the imaginary child.

I shouldn't exist. Due to medical complications during pregnancy my mother was advised to abort me. She gave birth to me and instead raised me badly 🤣

I'm glad that's the way it happened. Life is hard sometimes but it's also wonderful a lot of the time.

The issues you name are real, as real as the joys and pleasures of existence.

There's a reason even mad Max fights to survive. Because even that world is better than not existing. If he wasn't born, he doesn't get to make that choice.

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  • [–] 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

    OK it was JOYFUL for YOU

    YOU can go on with your life and be joyful with YOUR joyful life. Have fun buddy I guess 🤷🏿‍♂️

    As for me? Ive been robbed, shot at, socially isolated due to the color of my skin and my poorness , left broke even after working long hours, and other awful things that have made me very bitter , and very VERY dangerously deranged. A person like me cannot be happy in a world like what we have created today and bbecause Im not happy I feel that my child will also be as unhappy as I am(and seeing as how I am actually surprisingly poorer than my parents ? Im pretty fucking sure that Im fucking right) Also knowing how unstable and idiotic I am? I cannot guarantee that child will be alive by the time theyre an adult .

    And there are people all over the planet just like me ... And youre tellling us tto put a child under our care.... HAAA ! Do YOU need a psych ward too?

    So YES I am clearly justified in denying my aethereal child from suffering all the BS I have suffered or that they could suffer under my care. And also denying my aethereal children from suffering of all the awful shit I have read of on the news.

    Also its been shown that unhappy people like me tend to not have children anyways : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5505668/

    ....Also ....mad max is a fucking movie....it doesnt apply to real life....wot?!.

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