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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

You can notice a bias towards the state media from pro-capitalist regimes from the above.

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[+] -7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 hours ago

    Socialism is not "no private sector," it's a transitional society between capitalism and communism marked by worker control of the state, and public ownership as the principal aspect of the economy. All apply to China. Regarding prolewiki saying that China isn't socialist, that is outright incorrect. You also lied about the CPC saying that socialism is not the backbone of their economy and their goal for further development, you linked a source stating that the private sector presently plays a large but subordinate part of the economy, which is in line with their analysis that they are in the primary stage of socialism:

    Then you compare ratios of private to public, which doesn't actually say anything about which sector holds power. The important factor is controlling the commanding heights and critical sectors, and employing marketization in underdeveloped sectors to facilitate growth. Capital is treated in China like a farmer treats wheat, rather than like an uncontrollable force of nature like it is in the US, because China is socialist.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

    https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/socialism-with-chinese-characteristics

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  • [–] 8 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    The Chinese government actually does agree with what KimBongUn420 said, you just lied about what the CPC actually said. Here's the article in full:

    Private sector to play key role in major projects

    Private enterprises are expected to lead and contribute to China's major national technological projects, as the country's private sector bids to become a critical driver of technological innovation, economic growth and international cooperation, said a senior official from a national body serving the sector on Thursday.

    Qiu Xiaoping, vice-chairman of the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce, said: "In China, the private sector's role in driving innovation has never been more crucial. Major national scientific and research infrastructure is being further opened up to these private enterprises, allowing them to lead or collaborate on more groundbreaking projects."

    Qiu, who is also a member of the Leading Party Members' Group of the federation, said that rising Chinese private enterprises are doubling down on their investments in strategic emerging industries from high-end manufacturing to advanced materials.

    One of their particular focuses is on future industries such as quantum computing and life sciences, which are poised to define the next generation of economic competition globally, he said.

    Data from the federation shows that private enterprises have become a key pillar of China's innovation ecosystem, contributing over 70 percent of the nation's technological breakthroughs, making up for more than 90 percent of national high-tech businesses and over 80 percent of national "little giant" companies — small and medium-sized enterprises recognized for their specialized expertise and innovation.

    "Their innovative growth aligns with China's efforts to build a modernized industrial system and foster collaboration between large corporations and nimble SMEs. This ecosystem is expected to create fertile ground for innovation, driving the private sector to not only compete but thrive on a global scale," he said.

    As private enterprises expand their reach, Qiu noted their economic influence has become undeniable. Collectively, they contribute over 50 percent of the nation's tax revenue, more than 60 percent of GDP and over 80 percent of urban employment.

    On the global front, he emphasized that these firms account for over half of China's total import and export volume, making them a vital force in driving international trade.

    "China is expanding high-level opening-up and fostering an open world economy," he said. "It also provides a vast stage for private enterprises to explore international markets. More private enterprises will build on their domestic success while expanding globally."

    All this says is that China will continue to rely on the private sector in underdeveloped industries as a means to facilitate continued economic growth, as subordinate to the overall socialist economy. Not a single sentence in there says "China is not socialist" or "communism is not the goal of the CPC" or "China will become socialist in the future, but it isn't today." Those are naked lies on your part because you inserted your own, incorrect, definition of socialism, that being an economy devoid of private property in any capacity.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

    Vastly better than USAmerica

    Is that the reason for Wikipedia's bias against their media?

    Europe tags along with USAmerican regime's capitalist-imperialist actions and so their media is given an exemption?

    Heck, even ProleWiki says that Socialism in China is a dream for the future, and that they are aiming for the poetic 100th birthday of PRC. I will believe that when I see it, because for now it's just a capitalist country.

    Even if they are currently capitalist, they do not see it as the end stage, like the pro-capitalist regimes do?

    So, let's not lie to ourselves, to deny the obvious preference that the Wikipedia page shows for the media from the pro-capitalist regimes.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    To be clear, ThirdConsul is lying. China is socialist, and both the CPC and prolewiki agree about that. ThirdConsul is pretending socialism means the absence entirely of private property.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    ThirdConsul is pretending socialism means the absence entirely of private property.

    That is actually the aim of Communism, not Socialism, right? For that, there would be a transitionary phase, phase of socialism as an in-between stage, right?

    I am not too well-versed on various lines of theory, but from observation, I think some non-Leninist Marxists do not subscribe to a multi phase development plan.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago

    Socialism is a stage in historical development, one Marx referred to as "lower-stage communism." Communism too is a stage in historical development. It isn't necessarily that socialism lacks the aim to collectivize all production and distribution, it's that socialism is that very gradual process of developing into a highly industrial society in all respects at which point this becomes feasible. Communism is the distinct mode of production and distribution where socialism has played its transitional role to completion.

    As for the idea that we can skip socialism and go straight to communism, some fringe western Marxists believe this, but this is largely an anarchist conception as it runs counter to Marx.

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