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So much winning! 🫲🍊🫱 (thelemmy.club)
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[–] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (23 children)

Yup, and one election cycle was going to change all of that. Progress does tend to happen just all at once, like a miracle from god.

God damn, idealism is one hell of a drug.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (22 children)

    Yes, you are correct. One election cycle could have changed all of that, if the Democrats actually wanted to fix it. They had 4 years, and a majority. But instead of fixing all of that, they quietly increase funding to things like ICE, torture prisons, and genocide.

    I love it when "stop bombing kids", or "stop sending people to torture prisons", or "stop bypassing Congress to spend money on Trumps projects" by the supposed opposition party is considered "idealism".

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

    You genuinely have no real grasp on the world we live in. Yeah, at this point in time, that is idealism. We get there the same way we got here, one bite at a time. You don’t change the programming of society in a blink without destroying the system entirely, and even then it’s still not how it works, there is nothing everyone universally agrees on and there never will be. Life, as they say, is a series of compromises. There is an inoperable lack of societal awareness and pragmatism to your ethos.

    Those who learn history are doomed to watch thise that don’t repeat it, as they say.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (20 children)

    So the Democrats can't just stop bombing kids, or torturing people, or supporting Trump because "there is nothing everyone universally agrees on and there never will be."?

    "We gotta keep the child-murder machine going because waves hand at vague, abstract concepts that don't actually mean anything, and has no supporting evidence. You just don't know how to compromise with the child-murder machine that never compromises back. It's idealism to think that we can do anything about that. Even when we have all the power."

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (19 children)

    Yes, exactly. Progress is carved slowly with a dull knife, it refuses to be done any other way. Again, that’s how they got us here and it’s the only way out. That’s just how things work, no matter how hard you want to keep slamming your head into that wall. It’s not that I advocate for it, it’s just how things are. You can work to change things one at a time or you can get crushed by it. Realty doesn’t consider your ideals or morality.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (18 children)

    Well, no, that's now how it is. We could just stop bombing kids. I've gone my whole life without directly bombing anyone, and it's been pretty easy to do. In fact, it seems to me that it's a lot of work to bomb kids. Same with torturing people, same with supporting rapists.

    The fact that you think it's hard to not bomb kids tells me a lot about your lack of understanding about how the world works.

    It’s not that I advocate for it, it’s just how things are.

    But you are advocating for that. You keep fighting against the people who are trying to stop it from happening.

    You can work to change things one at a time or you can get crushed by it.

    Or there's another option that you keep refusing to consider: The Democrats could just say "Nah, we aren't going to bomb kids", and then actually stop.

    See, it's really easy to do. I'm doing it right now!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (17 children)

    You leveling all of your anger and blame on me is nothing short of childish, be mad at the powers and systems in control, that’s what is resisting change and bombing children, I’m 100% on board with all the shit you’re saying. I’ve also mever bombed children. You’re being a hyperbolic kneejerk reactionary looking for an easy out and someone, anyone it would seem, to take all the blame. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT HOW THE WORLD WORKS. The picture is so much bigger than what you are painting it to be. Be more pragmatic. There is no quick or easy way out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (16 children)

    You leveling all of your anger and blame on me is nothing short of childish, be mad at the powers and systems in control, that’s what is resisting change and bombing children, I’m 100% on board with all the shit you’re saying.

    I keep saying "lets not bomb kids", but you keep defending it, and the people who do it. If you are against it, why would you support them and the bombs they drop? Your the one saying "bombing kids is just practical for now".

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (15 children)

    Where did I defend it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (14 children)

    Have you not been defending the Democrats this whole time? Because I thought that was your point?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (13 children)

    No, I hate them all. I’m saying be realistic about getting to where things can be better. We are in a long suppressed socio political environment that has gulped up and internalized a lot of propaganda. We’re not getting out of this all at once or any time soon, we need to get every bit we can and not complain that there is a whale to be eaten and nobody that is willing nor able to eat the whale in one bite, especially when the only other realistic outcome is just more whales.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (12 children)

    And yet here you are, defending them, and pushing me to compromise with them. I agree that we aren't getting out of this anytime soon, because the Democrats are keeping us here. I fight against that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (11 children)

    No, you fight against any chance at progress by running a disinformation campaign against the only ruling class that actually gives a shit about people.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (10 children)

    Oh? The same ruling class that bombed kids? The same ruling class that has repeatedly sold out it's voters? The same ruling class that made it clear three times that they'd rather let Trump be in charge than someone who the people want? The same ruling class that always asks us to compromise to the right, but never compromises to the left? Yeah, it suuuuuuuuure sounds like they give a shit about all those kids that they bombed. Or all the people that they sent to torture prisons. Or all the people whose lives they destroyed to bail out their rich friends.

    Of course, it's easy to call facts "disinformation" if you don't actually pay attention to what the Democrats actually do.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    What do health issues have to do with the party that bombs kids, supports Trump, and openly ignores it's voting base?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It's hilarious to me that you still haven't come up with any actual points or evidence. Maybe you should try that sometime.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    You’re a childish zealot and detrimental to all you claim to stand for, go fucking die, you regressive waste of space. You are nothing but an idealist reactionary, no different from the GOP, you are using the exact same tactics of bury your god damned head and yell louder about how you’re morally superior. You are actively hurting leftism and progressivism. You are nothing but a reactionary karen.

    I’m going to apply some of that pragmatism I’ve been talking about and go ahead and block you and your pointless and masturbatory dogmatism. Have fun jerking yourself off, you stupid myopic fuck.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    You’re a childish zealot and detrimental to all you claim to stand for, go fucking die, you regressive waste of space. You are nothing but an idealist reactionary, no different from the GOP, you are using the exact same tactics of bury your god damned head and yell louder about how you’re morally superior. You are actively hurting leftism and progressivism. You are nothing but a reactionary karen.

    Me: "I think bombing kids is bad"

    You: "I fucking hate you and I hope you die"

    Tell me again, what gains the Democrats have brought? How am I burying my head in the sand by bringing facts and data, while you are openly ignoring the data provided? How are the Democrats are helping leftism, by continuously punching left, while continuously compromising to the right? I'm courious how, despite all of this, I am the zealot, but you aren't.

    You've yet to provide any evidence, data, or strategy other than "Bombing kids is cool, as long as it's the Blue Team that's doing it". Please, by all means, prove me wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    Yes you hate America, you've made that clear. Just like you probably hate women, and any other minority that isn't middle eastern.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    No, I hate America because America hates women and minorities.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    You're a joke of a person, intellectually dishonest and both sides-ing puppet

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    The person defending rapists, genocidists and child-killers, and saying we need to compromise with them is calling me a joke of a person and intellectually dishonest. Of course, me bringing in data showing the both sides are indeed evil monsters isn't taken into consideration at all.

    "I've seen what makes you cheer, your boos mean nothing to me".

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