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China has imposed a range of sweeping new rules restricting travel in and out of the country in a move that observers say will give the government even more control over its citizens.

Citizens deemed to have "harmed" China's national security or interests while overseas can also be barred from leaving China for up to three years.

But the law also says that it will apply to anyone considered a threat to the country's industrial or technological security.

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Under the new rules, border officials are now also required to advise Chinese nationals against travelling to countries and regions deemed "high-risk".

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But even prior to the rules being announced, some people were already restricted from going to certain countries. Civil servants were among the earliest groups subjected to these controls, which later expanded to include state-owned enterprise employees and ordinary citizens.

A retired grassroots civil servant in Anhui told BBC Chinese that around 2018, his workplace made employees surrender their passports. His passport remains in the custody of his former employer even though he retired last year.

According to the ex-civil servant, employees had to apply and explain their reasons for overseas travel, and not all requests were approved.

For example, trips to visit relatives were more likely to be approved than tourism trips, he said.

"It is mainly to prevent corrupt officials from fleeing or transferring assets abroad," he said. "For more senior officials, it may also be intended to prevent the disclosure of state secrets."

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A man identified by his pseudonym, Xiao Wang, who works at a state-owned financial institution in Beijing, told BBC Chinese that his fellow employees have long been required to surrender their passports and get approval for overseas travel.

The 32-year-old said managers have verbally reminded staff that "sensitive countries such as Japan are definitely off-limits".

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The rules could also affect citizens who work in areas such as human rights, say analysts.

"This is another tool designed to control what Chinese citizens do and say overseas," said Professor Tom Kellogg, Executive Director of the Center for Asian Law at Georgetown University.

"In some cases, in order to prevent individuals from criticising the Chinese government overseas or to punish their rights advocacy activities, state security authorities directly refuse to issue passports."

One 26-year-old Chinese citizen, who wished to be identified only as Pipi, told BBC Chinese that his passport application in 2023 was rejected and he believes it was because he attended the massive pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong in 2019.

According to Pipi, he was interviewed by Hong Kong media outlets during the protests. When he returned to mainland China, he was questioned by state security police.

He said one immigration official told him that he could not get a passport "because of the Hong Kong issue" – but this was not confirmed in writing to him.

"I don't know whether I'll ever be able to leave [China]," he said.

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[–] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

China's already democratic, it just has a different democratic model than capitalist countries. Policy in China comes from the bottom-up, and is interpreted through Marxism-Leninism at the top, resulting in policy connected with what's important for the working people. It certainly isn't a perfect system, but it works for China, resulting in some of the higher and more balanced perceptions of democratic health in the world:

While this can be confusing for people who associate democracy with western-style pluralism and representative candidate elections, this form of democracy is more well-suited to socialist economies. Socialist societies are built on the supremacy of the working class, and as such any administration must be connected with the people. That being said, China is also a large and diverse country, so having different administrative divisions helps answer to local needs. This is really the secret behind China's success. China doesn't have a "disaffected generation," no matter how much western media loves magnifying smaller issues.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    Everyone knows you heffalump for the CCP Cowbee

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    I've not heard the term before, but either way, I'm not affiliated with the CPC in any way. I do support them, as well as China's socialist project, but I do so as a communist outside of China trying to organize for socialism where I live.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    I hope one day you find yourself in a re-education camp and when you do, think of me and all the shit you shilled 🫶

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    They think they'll be the ones re-educating. It's why they support their flavor of fascism, they're just upset they didn't get to shoot the victims.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Since when is socialism "fascism?" I support the working classes owning the means of production and distribution, as well as the state. Fascism is the direct opposite, capitalism stripped of bourgeois democracy, colonialism turned inward.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Do you have an actual rebuttal to anything I've said, or is it all snark with you?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    We've been down this road before Cowbee. I post numerous articles from well respected NGOs and academics and you respond with propaganda and dellusion.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I could say the exact same thing, so again, do you have an actual rebuttal, or is it all snark?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    Whilst i’m open to different perspectives, broadening the definition of democracy diminishes what it is at its core.

    You’ve also linked an image that has no source with a bunch of red and green squares which means very little to me.

    I find it very strange that people exist that need to shill for China when the country can defend itself.

    We can have a balanced discussion but if it’s one-dimensional (eg. spruiking Leninism) then I don’t really want to hear it. Honestly because it’s just boring.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago* (10 children)

    Democracy means rule by the majority. I didn't really broaden the definition of democracy, I stated that democracy has many different forms. Western pluralistic representative democracy in practice is less democratic, as it creates competing blocs of capitalist parties. The ruling class continues to rule, while the majority only experience democratic participation to the extent of participating in the theater of it all. Socialist democracy comprehensively integrates the people into the governing process, blurring the lines between those in and outside of government.

    Regarding the source, it's from the latest Democracy Perception Index, gathered by NIRA data. It's a western organization that seeks to track perceptions of democracy. What's illuminating is that Chinese people feel pretty good about their system and are working to improve it.

    As for me "shilling for China," it's more that I'm a communist and I want socialism in the country I reside. Part of growing the movement for socialism is showing that alternatives to capitalism are both viable and work well, which can take the form of defending China from misconceptions or outright disinformation campaigns. I'm also just a massive nerd, and Marxism-Leninism is a bit of a hyperfixation of mine.

    Not sure what you're getting at with the "one-dimensional" comment.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    honestly mate not going to yuck someone’s yum but you’re taking me back to the days I would skip the lecture and go to the uni bar instead.

    I guarantee that the Chinese citizens working as slaves on fishing trawlers off the coast of Peru who haven’t seen land for months (possibly years) aren’t thinking that China is all too democratic.

    my advice - take it or leave it - books are great, reading is great but experience life rather than expressing just pure definitions. No matter was ‘ism’ you align with there’s always a trade-off.

    Maybe you’ll understand this and maybe you won’t, that’s up to you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Chinese fishermen/women aren’t slaves. Of course experience is tremendously useful, it’s the only way we can actually internalize what we learn through study. Theory and practice are mutually reinforcing, and through application in my own life Marxism has been tremendously useful for understanding the world and moving through it. I can see how and why applying Marxism at a society level would be tremendously beneficial because I can relate to it on an individual level.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    my dude you have a lot to learn about life.

    and yes they’re slaves. maybe you should find out what china’s been doing off the coast of south america for years at the edge of international waters.

    I have very good feeling that if you’re not a bot you’re an extremely robotic individual.

    Karl Marx is dead bro. Find your own life,

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    No, they aren't slaves, and this is deeply chauvanist of you to claim that without any evidence whatsoever. Further, you begin to dehumanize me just because I happen to take socialist theory and organizing seriously. I do have my own life and family, I am an active member in my community, and part of that action is socialist organizing because I believe a better world is possible. Stop dehumanizing people that you disagree with, it's incredibly rude and childish.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    so either you’re extremely autistic or a shill for a regime, no in-between. no normal person behaves like this.

    also yeah they are slaves.

    I don’t disagree with you because you have no actual beliefs. You’re more like a vessel that holds words and dispenses them at will. Kind of like a bot. A bot that has 20,000 comments on a single platform in 2 years, which kind of sounds like a full-time job.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Not only are you dehumanizing me, but now you're being ableist? For what purpose does bigotry enhance any of your points? I told you nakedly, I'm a communist. I have personal beliefs, and my world outlook is based on Marxism-Leninism. This doesn't make me "empty," autistic, or a bot. There's absolutely no call for being bigoted. Even if I was autistic, that would not give you the right to attack me on that basis.

    As for the slaves bit, your article never mentioned anything of the sort. At most, it pointed towards allegations of worse labor conditions, but not slavery, and not undisputed evidence. You linked a right-wing article that does not at all corroborate what you said.

    In reality, your bigotry, dehumanization, and general reaction are more a cover for being clearly out of your depth. It's 100% okay to admit that you don't know as much as you thought you did, you don't have to jump to ableism and dehumanization to dodge any responsibility for a rebuttal.

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