I don't have anything to add. It's been a decade and people are still talking about Putin's Pee Tapes. I'm tired.

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[–] 1 point 14 hours ago (5 children)

Was the Steele Dossier debunked? I always thought the "russiagate is a liberal hoax" was copium and that the Steele Dossier and Mueller Report provided undeniable evidence that Trump is on Kremlin puppet strings, but I never read either of the reports because who even cares about them anymore?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago* (1 child)

    not only was it a hoax, it was a distraction from Jeffery Epstein and you fell for it, we could've impeached Trump successfully in his first term over being a pedophile or any of his litany of crimes in this country or his very real connections to the mafia but instead you fucking freaks fell for the bullshit and have been chasing Russian ghosts for a fucking decade wasting all of our time

    if you still hate russia-cool more than isntrael or amerikkka then just go sign up to die in ukkkraine already and quit making it anyone else's problem

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  • [–] 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 child)

    "russiagate is a liberal hoax" was copium and that the Steele Dossier and Mueller Report provided undeniable evidence that Trump is on Kremlin puppet strings

    Nah, many still repeat this as like you they have not read the report or investigation into the dossier, they act like trump not going all cold warrior on putin is evidence of him being 'on Kremlin puppet strings' but if that were the case his government wouldn't be the main supplier of military arms and and other aid to an opponent Russia is currently in a war with.

    For the dossier:

    The Primary Sub-source explained to the FBI that his information came from “word of mouth and hearsay” and “conversation that [he] had with friends over beers”, and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements made in “jest.“

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/newly-declassified-document-indicates-fbi-misled-congress-on-reliability-of-steele-dossier

    https://archive.blogs.harvard.edu/kleelerner/the-discredited-steele-dossier-a-test-of-media-ethics/

    The Muller investigation with all the resources of the FBI and more were not able to find any evidence of coordination between the trump campaign and russia, they found that russia did want trump to win and used 'active measures' a scary term for facebook posts. Quoting stuff here(apart from stuff in parentheses):

    Numerous Contacts but No Conspiracy: The investigation identified multiple links and contacts between Trump campaign associates and Russian-affiliated(They count Wikileaks as 'russia-affliated' which imo is an incorrect portrayal, they have received and published info from russian state actors, but have also done the same with other states and whistleblowers) individuals.(Most campaigns meet with foreign actors as a matter of course, by itself it does not imply collusion) However, the report stated these contacts did not amount to a criminal conspiracy

    Receptive to Help: The report noted that the Trump campaign expected to benefit electorally from stolen emails hacked and released by Russia, but it did not find that the campaign knowingly or actively took part in the hacking or dissemination efforts

    If it had found evidence of collusion, he would have been impeached for it 'Foreign Collusion/working for the Reds!' being far juicer than the relatively weaker sauce of getting Zelensky to try find dirt on Biden, and inciting J6 which were the reasons for his impeachments

    Now I really shouldn't have to say this but seems to be necessary when anything that can be seen as pro trump comes up. I do not support him in the slightest, he's a fascist, a racist, a genocidaire, like all US presidents a war criminal. And of course personally extremely odious, his disregard for decorum being a major reason he garners such ire from the libs, of which many are now saying 'I miss Bush' a person whose caused far more innocent bloodshed than trump(so far at least) but did so with 'folksy charm' as if painting and giving Michelle Obama an altoid redeems him of his crimes.

    All that to say that the statement the Muller investigation/report 'provided undeniable evidence that Trump is on Kremlin puppet strings' is objectively false

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    The Muller investigation with all the resources of the FBI and more were not able to find any evidence of coordination between the trump campaign and russia, they found that russia did want trump to win and used ‘active measures’ a scary term for facebook posts. Quoting stuff here(apart from stuff in parentheses)

    That makes sense. The libs seem to take the latter and play it up to be the former.

    Now I really shouldn’t have to say this but seems to be necessary when anything that can be seen as pro trump comes up...

    I understand. I've lurked and commented in these parts for years. It was genzedong getting banned during the SMO that made me come to Lemmy in the first place. I've felt compelled to entertain the russiagate stuff because I am surrounded by liberals in meatspace at all times and am too much of a spineless coward^[I'm also a liberal, even if I larp as a communist online] to ever push back on their putrid worldview.

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