background info (and a bit of an apology): im pretty sure that a comrade on here also confessed to this and i shunned them for it. this was because of my own shame and internalized moral panic. now that i am being more open about it i no longer feel the urge to shame others. i would like to apologize to this comrade and if you recognize yourself in my message please feel free to dm me if thats what u want.

some of our comrades subscribe to an openly genAI position and believe that friend AI chatbots will actually cure loneliness and social isolation. i oppose this belief and i want this thread to be a discussion about the bad effects of using this technology especially as a child. if you are pro genAI this might not be for you.

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it's regrettable we have comrades speaking on issues they have not investigated. There is no such thing as a neutral tool outside of class interests, and AI certainly isn't sitting there for us to seize. The supply chains necessary to sustain AI, like the slave labor used for data annotation and to mine the resources needed for compute (China is different here only in that they take advantage of poor rural citizens in their own country for data annotation, as reported by the CPC's own Sixth Tone, and that labor comp case pro-AI people love to mention in fact does not even come close to outlawing AI replacement, in fact, it outlines the exact cases in which it's totally fine for a Chinese capitalist to do!), the massive computing requirements, etc. If you believe AI is a neutral tool, so too are Where's Daddy?, Lavender, Gas chambers, bioweapons, minority sterilization, Unit 731's experiments, etc. See how this sounds completely insane when it's applied to other "tools" used in and designed for/developed in genocide? Will you be seizing them as well, since they're also just neutral "tools' that can be seized from the capitalists? Maybe we can also have Socialist Lockheed-Martin while we're at it.

Of course, what everyone will say is that "under socialism all that will be fixed", which is an absolutely meaningless platitude. Defending a very potent weapon of the bourgeoisie by appeals to abstract possibilities in the far future is objectively incorrect, muddies the water, and is never done after one has investigated the technology. And if there are comrades among us, spouting nonsense such as seizing technologies whose goals are addiction, mass data collection and surveillance, industrializing the cognitive aspect of warfare, and serving as the ultimate cudgel of dead labor's dominance over living labor, they are playing an objectively reactionary role. No one told the slaves that the cotton gin was just a neutral tool and the only problem was the plantation owners. Or I mean, if someone mentions the U.S. bombing 90% of buildings in North Korea, do you say "the bombs were just tragically misused by the capitalist US!, seize the bombs, don't shoot down the planes!"???

The anti-AI crowd you slander has seemingly accomplished far more in terms of class consciousness and actual real world struggle than any of you all here, and if you were all actually involved irl, you'd find that it has a lot of potential. the naked aggression of AI and AI companies has awakened a great deal of people to the fact we live in a DICTATORSHIP of the bourgeoisie, and your haughty pontifications against them are just incorrect. It's hard to express how repugnant it is for someone to lecture on things they have no clue about while slandering the proletarians actually trying to do something about it.

There literally are individual people stealing from artists...? It's really ironic of you to mock them when you haven't done enough investigation to know that, and tbh that makes your chauvinistic attitude even more disgraceful. Have you ever heard of LoRA, CivitAI, or Midjourney? The first of these requires said theft to function and is almost always trained by an individual, the second is a repository for said parasitic techbros, and the third is an AI image generation service whose head kept a spreadsheet of artists tracked like cows, including whether they had been "milked" (trained on) and if they were aware of it.

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