▲ 121 ▼ GrapheneOS defends use of AI for coding (grapheneos.social) submitted 14 hours ago by General_Effort@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 153 comments fedilink hide all child comments GrapheneOS is currently defending its use of AI coding tools on Mastodon against complaints by various accounts claiming to be users. We do not understand where you're coming from or why you're so incredibly angry with us. It's not justified and does not make sense.
[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 36 points 12 hours ago (9 children) Layoffs are made-up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 14 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Layoffs aren't the problem here...the problem is that society requires people generate their own worth through work, and suddenly a good chunk of that work is now significantly less valuable. Requiring less work is a good thing. Humans should be striving to minimize work. That's what humanity is good at. The problem comes in that while the "input" of AI is, essentially, the collection of all human knowledge...while the output is money for a small handful of people...people who themselves contributed next to nothing to that pile of human knowledge (and in fact are probably running a deficit to it). That ain't right. We are all shareholders in the collection of all human knowledge. We should all be getting dividends from its work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago* It should be noted that the input of all human knowledge is getting the door closed and locked behind it. Requiring you to buy tokens to access said information. And if you refuse to provide more training data to their services that collect said data, like reddit, facebook, x, then you can't access essentially the entire internet. With google locking down captchas to only "verified" android phones. And every website requiring you to sign up with a ID card, and locking you out when you use a VPN. So not only will your jobs will be taken away but your autonomy and access to what used to be free information. Or not even information sometimes your job or access to a services requires you to use these things. Even just getting into your apartment with a RFID reader on your apparments official app. You have to exist in their panopitcon just to even exist in many situations. Oh and the best part the only thing worth money in the ai industry is all your user data and how it gets fed into palantirs networks. From every single comment you make on their services, and everytime you order a cheese burger in public, that all gets logged because you are a domestic terrorist for thinking maybe we should hold these people accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works -3 points 6 hours ago reduction in labour requirements are good. permalink fedilink source parent [+] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -54 points 12 hours ago (5 children) Oh look! Another "leftist" trying to shift blame away from tariff man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 19 points 12 hours ago I'm not American if that is what you're implying. Have a nice day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (3 children) Maybe I am just not understanding your direction based politics, but isn't it the right that put him in office? Isn't your comment backwards? To be clear, I literally don't know, it's hard enough following my own country's politics lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 9 hours ago (2 children) Yes. Trump's deranged acts are seriously harming the US economy but also doing a lot of damage to the global economy. Anyone who blames AI for layoffs is effectively helping Trump/the global right by covering up their incompetence and failure. To be fair, Putin's war is also causing much harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Then why did you say they were leftist? As for the layoff blame, just because I say I like hamburgers doesn't mean I hate hotdogs. Layoffs can be happening from both those things, and just because people are acknowledging one source doesn't mean they are helping the other source.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -4 points 7 hours ago I said "leftist" in quotes. Almost everyone here self-identifies as being on the left, at least insofar as they oppose Trump. And yet... well. I am skeptical if AI is already having a substantial effect on employment. In any case, I don't think these people care. You don't see anyone arguing for a better social safety net/unemployment benefits. Here's someone saying that people lose their jobs over AI, but you also have people saying AI is useless. They really don't care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 14 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Layoffs aren't the problem here...the problem is that society requires people generate their own worth through work, and suddenly a good chunk of that work is now significantly less valuable. Requiring less work is a good thing. Humans should be striving to minimize work. That's what humanity is good at. The problem comes in that while the "input" of AI is, essentially, the collection of all human knowledge...while the output is money for a small handful of people...people who themselves contributed next to nothing to that pile of human knowledge (and in fact are probably running a deficit to it). That ain't right. We are all shareholders in the collection of all human knowledge. We should all be getting dividends from its work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago* It should be noted that the input of all human knowledge is getting the door closed and locked behind it. Requiring you to buy tokens to access said information. And if you refuse to provide more training data to their services that collect said data, like reddit, facebook, x, then you can't access essentially the entire internet. With google locking down captchas to only "verified" android phones. And every website requiring you to sign up with a ID card, and locking you out when you use a VPN. So not only will your jobs will be taken away but your autonomy and access to what used to be free information. Or not even information sometimes your job or access to a services requires you to use these things. Even just getting into your apartment with a RFID reader on your apparments official app. You have to exist in their panopitcon just to even exist in many situations. Oh and the best part the only thing worth money in the ai industry is all your user data and how it gets fed into palantirs networks. From every single comment you make on their services, and everytime you order a cheese burger in public, that all gets logged because you are a domestic terrorist for thinking maybe we should hold these people accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago* It should be noted that the input of all human knowledge is getting the door closed and locked behind it. Requiring you to buy tokens to access said information. And if you refuse to provide more training data to their services that collect said data, like reddit, facebook, x, then you can't access essentially the entire internet. With google locking down captchas to only "verified" android phones. And every website requiring you to sign up with a ID card, and locking you out when you use a VPN. So not only will your jobs will be taken away but your autonomy and access to what used to be free information. Or not even information sometimes your job or access to a services requires you to use these things. Even just getting into your apartment with a RFID reader on your apparments official app. You have to exist in their panopitcon just to even exist in many situations. Oh and the best part the only thing worth money in the ai industry is all your user data and how it gets fed into palantirs networks. From every single comment you make on their services, and everytime you order a cheese burger in public, that all gets logged because you are a domestic terrorist for thinking maybe we should hold these people accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works -3 points 6 hours ago reduction in labour requirements are good. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -54 points 12 hours ago (5 children) Oh look! Another "leftist" trying to shift blame away from tariff man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 19 points 12 hours ago I'm not American if that is what you're implying. Have a nice day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (3 children) Maybe I am just not understanding your direction based politics, but isn't it the right that put him in office? Isn't your comment backwards? To be clear, I literally don't know, it's hard enough following my own country's politics lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 9 hours ago (2 children) Yes. Trump's deranged acts are seriously harming the US economy but also doing a lot of damage to the global economy. Anyone who blames AI for layoffs is effectively helping Trump/the global right by covering up their incompetence and failure. To be fair, Putin's war is also causing much harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Then why did you say they were leftist? As for the layoff blame, just because I say I like hamburgers doesn't mean I hate hotdogs. Layoffs can be happening from both those things, and just because people are acknowledging one source doesn't mean they are helping the other source.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -4 points 7 hours ago I said "leftist" in quotes. Almost everyone here self-identifies as being on the left, at least insofar as they oppose Trump. And yet... well. I am skeptical if AI is already having a substantial effect on employment. In any case, I don't think these people care. You don't see anyone arguing for a better social safety net/unemployment benefits. Here's someone saying that people lose their jobs over AI, but you also have people saying AI is useless. They really don't care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 19 points 12 hours ago I'm not American if that is what you're implying. Have a nice day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (3 children) Maybe I am just not understanding your direction based politics, but isn't it the right that put him in office? Isn't your comment backwards? To be clear, I literally don't know, it's hard enough following my own country's politics lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 9 hours ago (2 children) Yes. Trump's deranged acts are seriously harming the US economy but also doing a lot of damage to the global economy. Anyone who blames AI for layoffs is effectively helping Trump/the global right by covering up their incompetence and failure. To be fair, Putin's war is also causing much harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Then why did you say they were leftist? As for the layoff blame, just because I say I like hamburgers doesn't mean I hate hotdogs. Layoffs can be happening from both those things, and just because people are acknowledging one source doesn't mean they are helping the other source.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -4 points 7 hours ago I said "leftist" in quotes. Almost everyone here self-identifies as being on the left, at least insofar as they oppose Trump. And yet... well. I am skeptical if AI is already having a substantial effect on employment. In any case, I don't think these people care. You don't see anyone arguing for a better social safety net/unemployment benefits. Here's someone saying that people lose their jobs over AI, but you also have people saying AI is useless. They really don't care. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 9 hours ago (2 children) Yes. Trump's deranged acts are seriously harming the US economy but also doing a lot of damage to the global economy. Anyone who blames AI for layoffs is effectively helping Trump/the global right by covering up their incompetence and failure. To be fair, Putin's war is also causing much harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Then why did you say they were leftist? As for the layoff blame, just because I say I like hamburgers doesn't mean I hate hotdogs. Layoffs can be happening from both those things, and just because people are acknowledging one source doesn't mean they are helping the other source.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -4 points 7 hours ago I said "leftist" in quotes. Almost everyone here self-identifies as being on the left, at least insofar as they oppose Trump. And yet... well. I am skeptical if AI is already having a substantial effect on employment. In any case, I don't think these people care. You don't see anyone arguing for a better social safety net/unemployment benefits. Here's someone saying that people lose their jobs over AI, but you also have people saying AI is useless. They really don't care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Then why did you say they were leftist? As for the layoff blame, just because I say I like hamburgers doesn't mean I hate hotdogs. Layoffs can be happening from both those things, and just because people are acknowledging one source doesn't mean they are helping the other source.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -4 points 7 hours ago I said "leftist" in quotes. Almost everyone here self-identifies as being on the left, at least insofar as they oppose Trump. And yet... well. I am skeptical if AI is already having a substantial effect on employment. In any case, I don't think these people care. You don't see anyone arguing for a better social safety net/unemployment benefits. Here's someone saying that people lose their jobs over AI, but you also have people saying AI is useless. They really don't care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world [S] -4 points 7 hours ago I said "leftist" in quotes. Almost everyone here self-identifies as being on the left, at least insofar as they oppose Trump. And yet... well. I am skeptical if AI is already having a substantial effect on employment. In any case, I don't think these people care. You don't see anyone arguing for a better social safety net/unemployment benefits. Here's someone saying that people lose their jobs over AI, but you also have people saying AI is useless. They really don't care. permalink fedilink source parent