β² 1044 βΌ GrapheneOS is building its own RCS support to cut Google Messages out of the picture (www.androidauthority.com) submitted 1 day ago by sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al to c/android@lemdro.id 206 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] SethDove@lemmy.world 56 points 20 hours ago (7 children) Literally everyone should just use Signal. I really don't understand why we all don't. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [β] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 7 hours ago Signal is pretty great and I use it at least a little myself, but it's not necessarily perfect. The big elephant that's always been in the room is its dependence on one backend and the fact they're based in the US. Different threat models call for different approaches, and every option has tradeoffs. permalink fedilink source parent [β] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 hours ago Dropping SMS support made sense from a security standpoint but slaughtered adoption When the central server eshittifies, we'll all have to switch again. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago Because people stick with the default. There was a time people I know would try different messaging apps but after hangouts got canceled nobody wants to bother. permalink fedilink source parent [β] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 9 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Because Signal requires a phone number. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bilb@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago But so does SMS, so signal is just a straight upgrade as an alternative. permalink fedilink source parent [β] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 30 points 17 hours ago (2 children) Because Signal 1) doesn't ship as default, and 2) requires a login process. You've already lost the majority of the general public with #1. The Venn diagram of people who go through with #2 and the people who already know about Signal is nearly a complete circle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 13 hours ago* Used to shill XMPP but everyone should use Tox at this point ngl. No registration No phone number It's impossible to send anything unencrypted downside: Sharing IDs is annoying (QR code if you are on mobile? idk haven't tried) updownsides: It does not concern itself with backlog storage (unsent messages sit until at least one device of both parties are online) It does not concern itself with file storage (sent - poof, gone) permalink fedilink source parent [β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 27 points 16 hours ago (3 children) But the same is true for WhatsAppβ¦ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 11 points 11 hours ago You see, the problem is that whatsapp came very early, when it released it wasn't shit and it provided free messages which in many european countries wasn't a thing yet, everyone hopped on it and used it as main communication platform, this created a big ass network effect that is nearly unescapeable, even today i can't escape from it because i am the only idiot who uses Signal and Matrix and no one wants to leave whatsapp because they already have an account and all their contacts permalink fedilink source parent [β] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 point 13 hours ago Was true (except for trustworthy encryption). Then network effects took over and peer pressure did the work. It could happen again in a good way this time, but the resistance will be stiff. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 point 12 hours ago Because signal dropped SMS support. permalink fedilink source parent [β] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al [S] -2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) I use Signal via Molly and as @lka1988@sh.itjust.works points out, there's friction in getting users to on to it. But also the UX isn't even as good as WhatsApp let alone Telegram. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 11 hours ago I used signal offical app and honestly it has a good UI and UX, what does it lack? What seems bad? I don't understand permalink fedilink source parent [β] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 child) what ui? there is a namelist, a call icon, a message icon. what in the hell do you need? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 13 hours ago one thing missing is support for Android Tablets, its pissing my GF off on her Samsung Tablet and yet it works for my mother on her ipad ffs permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 7 hours ago Signal is pretty great and I use it at least a little myself, but it's not necessarily perfect. The big elephant that's always been in the room is its dependence on one backend and the fact they're based in the US. Different threat models call for different approaches, and every option has tradeoffs. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 hours ago Dropping SMS support made sense from a security standpoint but slaughtered adoption When the central server eshittifies, we'll all have to switch again. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago Because people stick with the default. There was a time people I know would try different messaging apps but after hangouts got canceled nobody wants to bother. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 9 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Because Signal requires a phone number. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bilb@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago But so does SMS, so signal is just a straight upgrade as an alternative. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] bilb@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago But so does SMS, so signal is just a straight upgrade as an alternative. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 30 points 17 hours ago (2 children) Because Signal 1) doesn't ship as default, and 2) requires a login process. You've already lost the majority of the general public with #1. The Venn diagram of people who go through with #2 and the people who already know about Signal is nearly a complete circle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 13 hours ago* Used to shill XMPP but everyone should use Tox at this point ngl. No registration No phone number It's impossible to send anything unencrypted downside: Sharing IDs is annoying (QR code if you are on mobile? idk haven't tried) updownsides: It does not concern itself with backlog storage (unsent messages sit until at least one device of both parties are online) It does not concern itself with file storage (sent - poof, gone) permalink fedilink source parent [β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 27 points 16 hours ago (3 children) But the same is true for WhatsAppβ¦ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 11 points 11 hours ago You see, the problem is that whatsapp came very early, when it released it wasn't shit and it provided free messages which in many european countries wasn't a thing yet, everyone hopped on it and used it as main communication platform, this created a big ass network effect that is nearly unescapeable, even today i can't escape from it because i am the only idiot who uses Signal and Matrix and no one wants to leave whatsapp because they already have an account and all their contacts permalink fedilink source parent [β] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 point 13 hours ago Was true (except for trustworthy encryption). Then network effects took over and peer pressure did the work. It could happen again in a good way this time, but the resistance will be stiff. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 13 hours ago* Used to shill XMPP but everyone should use Tox at this point ngl. No registration No phone number It's impossible to send anything unencrypted downside: Sharing IDs is annoying (QR code if you are on mobile? idk haven't tried) updownsides: It does not concern itself with backlog storage (unsent messages sit until at least one device of both parties are online) It does not concern itself with file storage (sent - poof, gone) permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 27 points 16 hours ago (3 children) But the same is true for WhatsAppβ¦ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 11 points 11 hours ago You see, the problem is that whatsapp came very early, when it released it wasn't shit and it provided free messages which in many european countries wasn't a thing yet, everyone hopped on it and used it as main communication platform, this created a big ass network effect that is nearly unescapeable, even today i can't escape from it because i am the only idiot who uses Signal and Matrix and no one wants to leave whatsapp because they already have an account and all their contacts permalink fedilink source parent [β] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 point 13 hours ago Was true (except for trustworthy encryption). Then network effects took over and peer pressure did the work. It could happen again in a good way this time, but the resistance will be stiff. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 11 points 11 hours ago You see, the problem is that whatsapp came very early, when it released it wasn't shit and it provided free messages which in many european countries wasn't a thing yet, everyone hopped on it and used it as main communication platform, this created a big ass network effect that is nearly unescapeable, even today i can't escape from it because i am the only idiot who uses Signal and Matrix and no one wants to leave whatsapp because they already have an account and all their contacts permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 point 13 hours ago Was true (except for trustworthy encryption). Then network effects took over and peer pressure did the work. It could happen again in a good way this time, but the resistance will be stiff. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 point 12 hours ago Because signal dropped SMS support. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al [S] -2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) I use Signal via Molly and as @lka1988@sh.itjust.works points out, there's friction in getting users to on to it. But also the UX isn't even as good as WhatsApp let alone Telegram. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 11 hours ago I used signal offical app and honestly it has a good UI and UX, what does it lack? What seems bad? I don't understand permalink fedilink source parent [β] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 child) what ui? there is a namelist, a call icon, a message icon. what in the hell do you need? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 13 hours ago one thing missing is support for Android Tablets, its pissing my GF off on her Samsung Tablet and yet it works for my mother on her ipad ffs permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 11 hours ago I used signal offical app and honestly it has a good UI and UX, what does it lack? What seems bad? I don't understand permalink fedilink source parent
[β] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 child) what ui? there is a namelist, a call icon, a message icon. what in the hell do you need? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 13 hours ago one thing missing is support for Android Tablets, its pissing my GF off on her Samsung Tablet and yet it works for my mother on her ipad ffs permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 13 hours ago one thing missing is support for Android Tablets, its pissing my GF off on her Samsung Tablet and yet it works for my mother on her ipad ffs permalink fedilink source parent