Progressive Politics

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[–] Awooooooga@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (49 children)

Voting for a centrist is better than letting the Republicans destroy your Republic.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Voting for a centrist is voting for someone who will happily assist republicans as long as they get to also assist netanyahu.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Totally.

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[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 3 points 3 days ago (6 children)

If that is what it takes for American citizens to ever be able to Vote ever again, that is what needs to be done.

You don’t understand that unless the Republicans get absolutely destroyed in the next elections, your democracy is gone!

Once the republicans are out of the game, you can start voting for the progressives.

Please note that I am aware that the candidates that claim to be centrist are still actually quite fascist, but because your electoral system is so flawed, this is the only option you have.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Once the republicans are out of the game, you can start voting for the progressives.

Please note that I am aware that the candidates that claim to be centrist are still actually quite fascist, but because your electoral system is so flawed, this is the only option you have.

you're doing a bit here, right?

you're satirizing the "blue no matter who" people by saying explicitly what they're saying implicitly ("vote for fascists, only they can save us from the other fascists"), right?

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I understand all of that.

I also will never trust centrist democrats again. I vote strategically, but I hate people who gloat about the situation.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A "democracy" that requires supporting genocide should be destroyed. And lol at "Once the republicans are out of the game". When exactly is that going to be?

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[–] Salvo@aussie.zone -3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Your country still does not have the electoral system to support more than two parties.

So what is the solution?

vote the least genocidal party into power, and then call them out into being genocidal? Also make them fix their broken democracy.
vote the literal fascists back into power, have all your voting rights revoked and become monarchal dictatorship?
Luigi Mangione all the CEOs, fascists and powerbrokers. That is still a form of genocide, even if it is targeting arseholes.

I think that these are not 3 different options, but maybe an order of escalations.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

The answer is none of the above. The answer is revolution. Revolution is made by the people, which requires mass class consciousness. This can be worked towards via the age-old adage: educate, agitate, and organize. A working-class party that focuses on educating the masses, struggles alongside them on critical and salient issues, while delivering strong, Marxist-Leninist analysis of said issues, is how we develop the working class as a whole. The final part, organization, is how we turn our greatest strength, numbers, into a spear that cannot be stopped by even the strongest armor. The party is the spearpoint, it cannot make revolution, but it can steer one.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Luigi Mangione all the CEOs, fascists and powerbrokers. That is still a form of genocide, even if it is targeting arseholes.

My god, fundamentally unserious person.

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 days ago

Voting for a centrist vs a progressive in the primaries is fucked up. Voting for a centrist vs a republican in the general at least slowly reduces the ratchet effect (though sadly it’ll happen regardless).

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Some of our "centrists" are the ones voting lock step with Republicans to do so.

Also calling them "centrists" is just falling for the corporate psyop. They are conservative democrats. Not centrists.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago

No, a willingness to do it is what gives them the confidence to keep doing it. Keep up the Bernie or bust mentality until they bust.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

pretty sure bernie votes for what this guy thinks is a centerist.

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[–] Awooooooga@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Bernie is a smart guy and has urged his dumbass supporters to vote Democrat even if they aren't as left as him because the alternative is a fascist nightmare that will tear the country down and try to take the rest of the world with it.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 point 2 days ago

just to be clear im a supporter of him. they are not all dumbasses. but yeah the lets not make sure the nazi party wins any election is dumb.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago

Your daily reminder that BlueMAGA liberals don't consider Palestinians human

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

There is nothing better than seeing that republic destroyed.
Lesser evil BS

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[–] Awooooooga@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I do not really want to deal with a dying dog lashing out

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Centrists are "destroying the republic" too, capitalism is inherently unsustainable and cannot be saved. Revolutionary socialism is the only path forward, and if we do not succeed then we will decay into barbarism, no matter which capitalist party is at the helm.

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[–] Ariselas@piefed.ca 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is it? If you are starving under a NeoLib government or starving under a Fascist government, you're still starving. What does it matter if the "centrist" is destroying their republic slightly less slowly than the republican?

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

This is the point, and what centrists don't get.

Doesn't matter which SJW flag you get to fly or not to fly if you're working 100 hours a week at three jobs and are still living out of your car.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Yeah, nothing more important than maintaining the empire right? A bit of genocide is just a necessary part of being a "centrist"

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

The empire is falling, the question is whether it should be a controlled demolition

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

And who is offering a controlled demolition? Certainly not the genocidal "centrists"

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[+] Awooooooga@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago

Sadly the entire western world depends on the US as a stable and rational actor.

The “western world” is imperialist, and the rest of the world would be better off without the “stability” allowing it to plunder them.

This is bigger than you.

This is bigger than the imperial core, which represents a minority of the world in terms of population, landmass, natural resources, and production.

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[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago

The faster the US crumbles, the better off the rest of the world will be.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

But I guess you are willing to sacrifice other nations for ideological purity.

I'm not the one saying that we have to keep supporting genocide to maintain the nation destroying empire.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago

Genocide is the only thing about being a centrist.

Everything else springs from that.

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[+] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago* (7 children)

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Maintaining the [empire/power structure] is important

Average western "leftist"

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (5 children)

you don't like schools?

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I don't like genocidal imperialism

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

would you like a medal?

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd like to not have imperialists in my "progressive" coms

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

and you define imperialists as anyone born on the wrong side of an imaginary line. if you think there's a magical politician that hasn't supported imperialism somewhere, i could take five minutes to show receipts if i didn't think you were just arguing for arguments' sake

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago

and you define imperialists as anyone born on the wrong side of an imaginary line.

??????

What the fuck are you talking about. You literally said that maintaining the empire is important to you, important enough to excuse genocide

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[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago

Member when a centrist bailed out all the big banks and told the working class to go die?

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[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (8 children)

there are no centrists in the US though, republicans are the rabid dogs meant to make you stomach voting for more status quo establishment dems (both owned by the same oligarchs).

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[+] Awooooooga@lemmy.world -9 points 3 days ago (7 children)

You're right but you should probably vote for the establishment Dems if not for the sake of yourselves then for the sake of the rest of the western world, as it depends on you, sadly.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The western world is on a downfall because imperialism is moribund. The democrats cannot save imperialism, and therefore cannot save the west.

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[–] Awooooooga@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 child)

The western world is on a downfall because it depends on the United States.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Both of what we said is true. The US is the imperial hegemon, and secondary imperialist powers like European countries depend on the US Empire for the hard power to continue to carry out imperialism.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Fuck the western world, genocidal ghouls

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[–] Awooooooga@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Western liberal democracies are the most free and fair societies that have existed since the invention of agriculture. Just because yours sucks the tit of capitalism to the point that it has poisoned you doesn't mean the rest of it deserves to go.

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[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Hahahahaha

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 days ago*

Sorry, I forgot that western liberals don't consider non-westerners human, and would happily accept permeant oppression and genocide of the rest of the world so long as they get to have their treats

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[–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 3 days ago

Depends on where OP lives.