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[+] usernameofthisaccount@piefed.social 232 points 2 days ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kingofras@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 child) The roof tiles was my last Tesla livestream event. Once he was done bragging about how he would fix a nonexistent problem, my suspicions he is a conman were confirmed. He’s literally a manchild throwing money at things and seeing which grows, just to gain more power and influence so he can one day rule the world like a cartoon villain. He’s mindblowingly simple to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* about how he would fix a nonexistent problem Nazi-Musk aside, Its not exactly a non-existent problem. Its just a very very small niche problem that doesn't justify the tremendous resources poured into creating it. Its also an old problem that doesn't exist much anymore. There was a time when solar panels were pretty ugly and expensive. Those two things would deter a certain number of people from installing panels. So the idea of cheap solar panels that matched the traditional look some buyers wanted did exist. Heavy emphasis on some buyers because it was a pretty small pool to begin with. What really made solar shingles largely irrelevant was the dramatic drop in cost of regular panels, the drastic increase in performance of regular panels, and the noticeably improved aesthetics of all-black regular panels. So the prior tiny market for solar shingles shrank even more, and the costs of Tesla solar shingles continued to rise without any performance improvements. It was a tiny market before and its a nearly non-existent market now. Solar shingles are bad business. Lastly, social attitudes changed and having solar panels on a roof switched largely from being seen as an eyesore to a point of pride for many. This last point isn't totally solved yet. My own housing community doesn't allow panels on the side of the house that faces the road...except in some circumstances (making the rule even more stupid). I'm looking forward to the day when I can slap some panels on the other side of the house for even greater solar generation! I'm still have no interest in solar shingles though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago We had a solar company try to sell us on Tesla panels and we noped out because we didn't have confidence in the company (this was before the Nazi stuff was more apparent). Glad we decided to forego that! (For many reasons, but this definitely solidifies it) permalink fedilink source parent [–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago Fool me a dozen times, shame on you. Fool me 13 or more times, shame on me! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (4 children) It sometimes takes a while to cull the herd. All the losers will lose. Evolution at its finest. I just can't figure how Musk got so far from his bubble. Money??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spankysalmon@fedinsfw.app 6 points 2 days ago* Temporarily embarrassed millionaires are everywhere. Especially in the US. They're all pathetic trash. They're the sort that think Musk magically knows something simply because he is already rich. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Evolution is measured only by success, it doesn't care about intelligence or morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Evolution does not have a goal or direction, just variables. Winners win and loser lose. If it works it lives and if it doesn't work it dies. The part of evolution that most people miss is TIME. Sometimes a mind numbing amount of time. More than our pitiful lifetimes amount of time. I can hardly wait. permalink fedilink source parent [–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago well, sometimes the idiot savant strikes it big at the lucky 38. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 child) The roof tiles was my last Tesla livestream event. Once he was done bragging about how he would fix a nonexistent problem, my suspicions he is a conman were confirmed. He’s literally a manchild throwing money at things and seeing which grows, just to gain more power and influence so he can one day rule the world like a cartoon villain. He’s mindblowingly simple to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* about how he would fix a nonexistent problem Nazi-Musk aside, Its not exactly a non-existent problem. Its just a very very small niche problem that doesn't justify the tremendous resources poured into creating it. Its also an old problem that doesn't exist much anymore. There was a time when solar panels were pretty ugly and expensive. Those two things would deter a certain number of people from installing panels. So the idea of cheap solar panels that matched the traditional look some buyers wanted did exist. Heavy emphasis on some buyers because it was a pretty small pool to begin with. What really made solar shingles largely irrelevant was the dramatic drop in cost of regular panels, the drastic increase in performance of regular panels, and the noticeably improved aesthetics of all-black regular panels. So the prior tiny market for solar shingles shrank even more, and the costs of Tesla solar shingles continued to rise without any performance improvements. It was a tiny market before and its a nearly non-existent market now. Solar shingles are bad business. Lastly, social attitudes changed and having solar panels on a roof switched largely from being seen as an eyesore to a point of pride for many. This last point isn't totally solved yet. My own housing community doesn't allow panels on the side of the house that faces the road...except in some circumstances (making the rule even more stupid). I'm looking forward to the day when I can slap some panels on the other side of the house for even greater solar generation! I'm still have no interest in solar shingles though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* about how he would fix a nonexistent problem Nazi-Musk aside, Its not exactly a non-existent problem. Its just a very very small niche problem that doesn't justify the tremendous resources poured into creating it. Its also an old problem that doesn't exist much anymore. There was a time when solar panels were pretty ugly and expensive. Those two things would deter a certain number of people from installing panels. So the idea of cheap solar panels that matched the traditional look some buyers wanted did exist. Heavy emphasis on some buyers because it was a pretty small pool to begin with. What really made solar shingles largely irrelevant was the dramatic drop in cost of regular panels, the drastic increase in performance of regular panels, and the noticeably improved aesthetics of all-black regular panels. So the prior tiny market for solar shingles shrank even more, and the costs of Tesla solar shingles continued to rise without any performance improvements. It was a tiny market before and its a nearly non-existent market now. Solar shingles are bad business. Lastly, social attitudes changed and having solar panels on a roof switched largely from being seen as an eyesore to a point of pride for many. This last point isn't totally solved yet. My own housing community doesn't allow panels on the side of the house that faces the road...except in some circumstances (making the rule even more stupid). I'm looking forward to the day when I can slap some panels on the other side of the house for even greater solar generation! I'm still have no interest in solar shingles though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago We had a solar company try to sell us on Tesla panels and we noped out because we didn't have confidence in the company (this was before the Nazi stuff was more apparent). Glad we decided to forego that! (For many reasons, but this definitely solidifies it) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago Fool me a dozen times, shame on you. Fool me 13 or more times, shame on me! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (4 children) It sometimes takes a while to cull the herd. All the losers will lose. Evolution at its finest. I just can't figure how Musk got so far from his bubble. Money??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spankysalmon@fedinsfw.app 6 points 2 days ago* Temporarily embarrassed millionaires are everywhere. Especially in the US. They're all pathetic trash. They're the sort that think Musk magically knows something simply because he is already rich. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Evolution is measured only by success, it doesn't care about intelligence or morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Evolution does not have a goal or direction, just variables. Winners win and loser lose. If it works it lives and if it doesn't work it dies. The part of evolution that most people miss is TIME. Sometimes a mind numbing amount of time. More than our pitiful lifetimes amount of time. I can hardly wait. permalink fedilink source parent [–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago well, sometimes the idiot savant strikes it big at the lucky 38. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spankysalmon@fedinsfw.app 6 points 2 days ago* Temporarily embarrassed millionaires are everywhere. Especially in the US. They're all pathetic trash. They're the sort that think Musk magically knows something simply because he is already rich. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Evolution is measured only by success, it doesn't care about intelligence or morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Evolution does not have a goal or direction, just variables. Winners win and loser lose. If it works it lives and if it doesn't work it dies. The part of evolution that most people miss is TIME. Sometimes a mind numbing amount of time. More than our pitiful lifetimes amount of time. I can hardly wait. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Evolution does not have a goal or direction, just variables. Winners win and loser lose. If it works it lives and if it doesn't work it dies. The part of evolution that most people miss is TIME. Sometimes a mind numbing amount of time. More than our pitiful lifetimes amount of time. I can hardly wait. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago well, sometimes the idiot savant strikes it big at the lucky 38. permalink fedilink source parent