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[–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A lot of us are just tired of dealing with the actual children that compose 90% of maga, you give someone 900 warning signs and they say "lol funny angry liberals!!" You're not sneering at them for being on the wrong side of history, you're sneering at them for ignoring every single sign on purpose because they thought it wouldn't affect them. It's like people watching videos of auschwitz and then turning in their neighbor anyway to own the libs. I can see people not being willing to use kid gloves with them after that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I'm not suggesting people engaged in evil do not deserve ire. Punch Nazis. Full stop. Neither am I suggesting we tread gingerly lest we offend. I'm asserting that constructive responses toward those open to correction align with our stated ideals and that destructive attacks which merely stroke the ego of the attacker do not.

    We should not want those lost to the cult of MAGA to self-flagelate and apologize because this is not about them and words are cheap. They need to see the harm they've helped cause and start actively counter-acting that harm.

    This meme is specifically directed at those who are realizing they've been conned. When someone breaks from delusion, especially delusion that has been central to identity, sharing that with anyone requires vulnerability. If hypocrisy is worth avoiding at all then its value increases wildly around such shared crossroads.

    Salt in the wound only benefits the salter who enjoys inflicting useless pain in others. We ought to be better than that. Inability to do so cannot justify the indulgence of cruelty.

    i.e., being tired of their bullshit confers no license to vindictive prejudicial lashings.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    If you're tired of dealing with them, you don't even need to express empathy as the gp post so eloquently described, just don't throw it back in their faces if they show signs of breaking away, even a little bit. If you don't have the energy to respond to them and try to expand that break, maybe someone else does, but if you are hostile you'll just drive them back into the darkness and make them that much harder to ever pull away.

    None of this means you have to welcome them with open arms, or even forget what they've done. Just give them a space to be less awful than they were. As the gp post said, thinking strategically we need to break away as many supporters of maga as possible, but that doesn't mean they immediately, or automatically, become allies.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I'm not even opposed to the substance of what they're saying, it's just the way they've framed it as "eye for an eye" or "I told you so" is not fair at all. The amount of horror and loss they subjected everyone else to, while ignoring and waving off every warning sign. If someone lost their family because of trump they would call this guy a monster and be even more disgusted that now he cares only because he was personally affected. That's not an "I told you so haha."

    I am personally lucky enough to not be in the shoes of people who were impacted, so I try to do what you and op have said. If someone is affected though, I can say they should try and move forward and pull in someone who's learned better, but that's a huge ask to do for someone who has directly contributed to ruining parts of your life.

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