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Andrew Tate indicted for trafficking minors in Romania (www.newsweek.com)
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Andrew Tate has been indicted by Romanian prosecutors for various crimes, including trafficking minors, money laundering, and sex with a minor, according to reports.

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[–] 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I get it and he should totally reap what he sowed.

I think we as a society should not normalize this whole casual talk of prison rape.

I’m not calling you out personally. Please don’t take it that way.

My comment is that incarceration should be about rehabilitation. Our system is not - it’s geared towards punishment. And the whole prison rape talk reinforces that. Not to mention rape in any context is dehumanizing. These shit-ass Tate brothers are evil as fuck but they are human and should be treated as such. IMO a society should be measured by how they treat the most vulnerable - this includes the unhoused, victims, and the incarcerated.

I don’t mean to soapbox here, but I think it’s worth trying to change the conversation when it comes up.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    It's absolutely a point that needs reinforcing, but crimes like rape, human trafficking, and slavery are not crimes commited out of necessity. If someone steals food or a small amount of money because they go hungry otherwise, that is absolutely a case where they need help. Those are crimes commited out of a necessity. I think even murder can be a crime of necessity or desperation under the right circumstances. Those people need helped, and do not deserve to be treated the way they do by the justice system in many nations.

    But rape, human trafficking, slavery etc. are crimes that are committed out of malice, and malice alone. And those people committing them deserve to experience everything that they did to others. Anything less is insufficient. The only counterargument against it (admittedly a very strong one) is that innocent people also end up behind the same bars.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    I agree on your distinction. However, I don't think that revenge-raping a rapist does any good to anyone or redeem any of the wrong doing. It only creates another rapist.

    Punishment should be something that benefits the victims or society.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    If someone steals food or a small amount of money because they go hungry otherwise, that is absolutely a case where they need help.

    But those people are already victims, and don't need rehab targeting their behavior, neither are they dangerous, just pushed into it by circumstances.
    If you have to steal food, you don't belong in prison for that in the first place.

    The only counterarguments

    I'll add another I think you might agree with.
    If someone gets raped in prison, there, necessarily, has to be someone who rapes them. This will likely just be a physically stronger rapist, who on the other hand is even getting some enjoyment from prison. And what's going to happen when that person is released?

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