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US Fatally Bombs Wedding in Iran, Killing 4, Including Children (truthout.org)
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[–] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

I never said I supported the invasion

You do support pro-NATO forces subjugating Iran for the benefit of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan simply because of the pretense of "women's rights". The people that you support in this case do not care about women's rights.

I said women’s liberation is a good reason for people to rise up against their government, which is what an insurrection is.

These people claiming that they just want women's rights doesn't mean that that is what they actually struggle for.

You are buying another round of Nayirah testimony/Iraq WMD and other such cases of propaganda.

What is needed first and foremost right now is liberation from NATO, as it is the most major barrier for improving, as whichever group will try to sabotage the Iranian government - even if it will genuinely want things like women's rights - they will be used by NATO to just further (re-)subjugate Iran and wooden their living conditions.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    You're ridiculous. The people I support are the Iranian people themselves, who did in fact protest over women's rights. Even if the goal of Mossad's support for the protests was to destabilize Iran in preparation for the US invasion, that does not make the protesters "pro-NATO forces," nor does it mean women's rights are nothing but a pretense. While that's certainly the case for Mossad, the protests were undeniably carried out by the Iranian people themselves to advance the cause of women's liberation.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    The people I support are the Iranian people themselves

    You (plural) say this, but every time it is some CIA/NED-backed group. And inevitably it turns out that the only reasons you (plural) do so, is because your empire told you that those are the "good ones".

    Even if the goal of Mossad’s support for the protests was to destabilize Iran in preparation for the US invasion, that does not make the protesters “pro-NATO forces,”

    Yes, it does. They are literally used by NATO to maintain or strengthen colonial subjugation of the Global South.

    nor does it mean women’s rights are nothing but a pretense.

    For these groups, it is. Their actual goals are not to improve living conditions, but bring their countries under the heel of Washington.

    While that’s certainly the case for Mossad, the protests were undeniably carried out by the Iranian people themselves to advance the cause of women’s liberation.

    As in, the low-level members of the group thought that those were the group's goals?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    You (plural)

    You're lumping me in with a group I don't identity with because you're so dogmatic about your beliefs that you think anyone who contradicts them must be the enemy. I've said repeatedly that I don't support the war and that I oppose imperialism and yet you keep arguing as if I am in support of it. You speak about Iranians as if they are hapless pawns unable to think for themselves, insisting that the only reason they would protest against their government is if foreign intelligence agencies directed them to, which is actually a very colonial and condescending mindset for you to have. For an anti-imperialist, you sure like to dismiss the agency of people who are themselves victims of imperialism.

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  • [–] 0 points 54 minutes ago

    You’re lumping me in with a group I don’t identity with

    You might not voluntarily identify with the other people who are just supporting yet another group that conveniently serves NATO's interests, but so far there isn't a good case for your favourite groups attempting to improve the living conditions in the Global South.

    Hell, you actually admit that Mossad using such groups to (re-)subjugate countries in the Global South (and, thus, worsen the living conditions there) isn't enough for you to drop support for them.

    I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t support the war and that I oppose imperialism and yet you keep arguing as if I am in support of it.

    You can't claim that you do not support the war, and that you oppose imperialism (and, I assume, you also want to claim to oppose colonialism) while also supporting pro-colonial efforts that would only advance the imperialist and colonialist goals of NATO and opposing Global South states defending themselves against your empire.

    You speak about Iranians as if they are hapless pawns unable to think for themselves

    Where did I say that?
    In fact, the people of Iran have been struggling against you with a significant degree of success.
    If you meant that I do not support wannabe-compradors, then that's not an issue of thinking that people can't "think for themselves". The issue is that I do not support those wannabe-compradors.

    insisting that the only reason they would protest against their government is if foreign intelligence agencies directed them to

    Nowhere did I say that. I even pointed out that even in the cases where such groups do genuinely want to achieve better living conditions for the Global South, their efforts will be utilised by NATO to actually worsen those living conditions.

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