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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 95 points 20 hours ago (5 children) “President of peace” everybody. Just making sure the ENTIRE world hates the US. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago As if any other U.S. president in modern history was any better 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 19 hours ago (23 children) To be fair, the US became the world's imperial hegemon after World War II. What changed is the advancement of social media, making it far harder to hide the crimes of empire. Vietnam was the first real exposure to televised war in the west, and the media was key to the anti-war movement. The US then exerted tighter control on the media apparatus, but this is much harder to do with social media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 child) China and Russia figured out how to do it with social media. Most of their people don't even know of their empire's crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago* (1 child) That's not really true, though. The US has a far more sophisticated media apparatus, that has existed for longer. China's censorship is open and well-understood by the population, the US's is secret while pretending it doesn't exist. Further, neither China nor Russia are "empires," not for centuries in China's case and about a century in Russia's case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) That's not really true, though. China and Russia have a far more sophisticated media censorship apparatus, and their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. Half of Americans hate their own country, and are free to post about it on the internet, and consume media that aligns with their view, without fear of being arrested like Ding Jiaxi. And tell that to the refugees of China's raping of its neighbours fish zones, or Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago From the other day: https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2026/08/29/autistici-inventati-trump-terrorists-news/ "A single signature by Trump can remove you from the internet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) "No you" is not a compelling argument. Why is it that you believe Russia and China to have a more sophisticated propaganda apparatus, despite the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it? Further, the idea that speech is free in the US is horribly wrong. Left-wing media and organizing like the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker prove that what matters is that only capitalist speech is allowed, while workers are crushed. Chinese censorship targets those that undermine their socialist system. This is openly understood, and thus subversive organizing is also targeted, just like in the US. The major difference is that the CPC is a worker-party, and is thoroughly subject to the will of the entire working class. This is why Chinese citizens have much greater approval for their own democracy than the US does: And to drive the point home, the bottom 50% of China has been consistently prioritized, while elsewhere the poor are discarded and left behind: Meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. If we flail about in vulgar "whataboutisms" rather than genuine comparistics, then we will fail to actually see what's going on. We must, as the Chinese Marxists say, seek truth from facts. We must not presuppose a conclusion and justify it based on ideology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship. their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. You're being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is "propaganda." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (22 replies) [–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 child) The world did already, but just not enough to cut (economic) ties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago Thank goodness for the rise of alternatives like China and the increase in south-south trade, undermining unequal exchange by keeping the wealth within the global south. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children) Obama did the exact same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 14 hours ago Obama has been maligned for it too. Trump deserves the same ridicule. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 12 hours ago (1 child) There's never been a POTUS who didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crispbacon99@lemmy.zip -2 points 11 hours ago (2 children) These types of comments never elaborate or talk about other relevant things like how Obama didn't take us into a full blown war with Iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Obama did destroy Libya. Is your point that it was better to turn Libya into a country with open-air slave markets and massacre thousands of people, or is your point that it's better than the Iran War because it didn't backfire as splendidly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago Exactly! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago Why don't you use the same internet you're using to look it up? You'll remember longer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jhex@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago (16 children) Just making sure the ENTIRE world hates the US. Bush Jr took you to the brink of that (after marching towards that cliff hard with other previous admins)... the US only needed a nudge to get there and electing a child rapist was like taking the off ramp into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)
[–] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago As if any other U.S. president in modern history was any better 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 19 hours ago (23 children) To be fair, the US became the world's imperial hegemon after World War II. What changed is the advancement of social media, making it far harder to hide the crimes of empire. Vietnam was the first real exposure to televised war in the west, and the media was key to the anti-war movement. The US then exerted tighter control on the media apparatus, but this is much harder to do with social media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 child) China and Russia figured out how to do it with social media. Most of their people don't even know of their empire's crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago* (1 child) That's not really true, though. The US has a far more sophisticated media apparatus, that has existed for longer. China's censorship is open and well-understood by the population, the US's is secret while pretending it doesn't exist. Further, neither China nor Russia are "empires," not for centuries in China's case and about a century in Russia's case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) That's not really true, though. China and Russia have a far more sophisticated media censorship apparatus, and their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. Half of Americans hate their own country, and are free to post about it on the internet, and consume media that aligns with their view, without fear of being arrested like Ding Jiaxi. And tell that to the refugees of China's raping of its neighbours fish zones, or Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago From the other day: https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2026/08/29/autistici-inventati-trump-terrorists-news/ "A single signature by Trump can remove you from the internet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) "No you" is not a compelling argument. Why is it that you believe Russia and China to have a more sophisticated propaganda apparatus, despite the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it? Further, the idea that speech is free in the US is horribly wrong. Left-wing media and organizing like the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker prove that what matters is that only capitalist speech is allowed, while workers are crushed. Chinese censorship targets those that undermine their socialist system. This is openly understood, and thus subversive organizing is also targeted, just like in the US. The major difference is that the CPC is a worker-party, and is thoroughly subject to the will of the entire working class. This is why Chinese citizens have much greater approval for their own democracy than the US does: And to drive the point home, the bottom 50% of China has been consistently prioritized, while elsewhere the poor are discarded and left behind: Meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. If we flail about in vulgar "whataboutisms" rather than genuine comparistics, then we will fail to actually see what's going on. We must, as the Chinese Marxists say, seek truth from facts. We must not presuppose a conclusion and justify it based on ideology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship. their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. You're being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is "propaganda." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (22 replies)
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 child) China and Russia figured out how to do it with social media. Most of their people don't even know of their empire's crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago* (1 child) That's not really true, though. The US has a far more sophisticated media apparatus, that has existed for longer. China's censorship is open and well-understood by the population, the US's is secret while pretending it doesn't exist. Further, neither China nor Russia are "empires," not for centuries in China's case and about a century in Russia's case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) That's not really true, though. China and Russia have a far more sophisticated media censorship apparatus, and their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. Half of Americans hate their own country, and are free to post about it on the internet, and consume media that aligns with their view, without fear of being arrested like Ding Jiaxi. And tell that to the refugees of China's raping of its neighbours fish zones, or Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago From the other day: https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2026/08/29/autistici-inventati-trump-terrorists-news/ "A single signature by Trump can remove you from the internet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) "No you" is not a compelling argument. Why is it that you believe Russia and China to have a more sophisticated propaganda apparatus, despite the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it? Further, the idea that speech is free in the US is horribly wrong. Left-wing media and organizing like the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker prove that what matters is that only capitalist speech is allowed, while workers are crushed. Chinese censorship targets those that undermine their socialist system. This is openly understood, and thus subversive organizing is also targeted, just like in the US. The major difference is that the CPC is a worker-party, and is thoroughly subject to the will of the entire working class. This is why Chinese citizens have much greater approval for their own democracy than the US does: And to drive the point home, the bottom 50% of China has been consistently prioritized, while elsewhere the poor are discarded and left behind: Meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. If we flail about in vulgar "whataboutisms" rather than genuine comparistics, then we will fail to actually see what's going on. We must, as the Chinese Marxists say, seek truth from facts. We must not presuppose a conclusion and justify it based on ideology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship. their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. You're being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is "propaganda." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago* (1 child) That's not really true, though. The US has a far more sophisticated media apparatus, that has existed for longer. China's censorship is open and well-understood by the population, the US's is secret while pretending it doesn't exist. Further, neither China nor Russia are "empires," not for centuries in China's case and about a century in Russia's case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) That's not really true, though. China and Russia have a far more sophisticated media censorship apparatus, and their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. Half of Americans hate their own country, and are free to post about it on the internet, and consume media that aligns with their view, without fear of being arrested like Ding Jiaxi. And tell that to the refugees of China's raping of its neighbours fish zones, or Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago From the other day: https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2026/08/29/autistici-inventati-trump-terrorists-news/ "A single signature by Trump can remove you from the internet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) "No you" is not a compelling argument. Why is it that you believe Russia and China to have a more sophisticated propaganda apparatus, despite the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it? Further, the idea that speech is free in the US is horribly wrong. Left-wing media and organizing like the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker prove that what matters is that only capitalist speech is allowed, while workers are crushed. Chinese censorship targets those that undermine their socialist system. This is openly understood, and thus subversive organizing is also targeted, just like in the US. The major difference is that the CPC is a worker-party, and is thoroughly subject to the will of the entire working class. This is why Chinese citizens have much greater approval for their own democracy than the US does: And to drive the point home, the bottom 50% of China has been consistently prioritized, while elsewhere the poor are discarded and left behind: Meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. If we flail about in vulgar "whataboutisms" rather than genuine comparistics, then we will fail to actually see what's going on. We must, as the Chinese Marxists say, seek truth from facts. We must not presuppose a conclusion and justify it based on ideology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship. their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. You're being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is "propaganda." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) That's not really true, though. China and Russia have a far more sophisticated media censorship apparatus, and their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. Half of Americans hate their own country, and are free to post about it on the internet, and consume media that aligns with their view, without fear of being arrested like Ding Jiaxi. And tell that to the refugees of China's raping of its neighbours fish zones, or Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago From the other day: https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2026/08/29/autistici-inventati-trump-terrorists-news/ "A single signature by Trump can remove you from the internet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) "No you" is not a compelling argument. Why is it that you believe Russia and China to have a more sophisticated propaganda apparatus, despite the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it? Further, the idea that speech is free in the US is horribly wrong. Left-wing media and organizing like the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker prove that what matters is that only capitalist speech is allowed, while workers are crushed. Chinese censorship targets those that undermine their socialist system. This is openly understood, and thus subversive organizing is also targeted, just like in the US. The major difference is that the CPC is a worker-party, and is thoroughly subject to the will of the entire working class. This is why Chinese citizens have much greater approval for their own democracy than the US does: And to drive the point home, the bottom 50% of China has been consistently prioritized, while elsewhere the poor are discarded and left behind: Meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. If we flail about in vulgar "whataboutisms" rather than genuine comparistics, then we will fail to actually see what's going on. We must, as the Chinese Marxists say, seek truth from facts. We must not presuppose a conclusion and justify it based on ideology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship. their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. You're being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is "propaganda." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child) "No you" is not a compelling argument. Why is it that you believe Russia and China to have a more sophisticated propaganda apparatus, despite the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it? Further, the idea that speech is free in the US is horribly wrong. Left-wing media and organizing like the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker prove that what matters is that only capitalist speech is allowed, while workers are crushed. Chinese censorship targets those that undermine their socialist system. This is openly understood, and thus subversive organizing is also targeted, just like in the US. The major difference is that the CPC is a worker-party, and is thoroughly subject to the will of the entire working class. This is why Chinese citizens have much greater approval for their own democracy than the US does: And to drive the point home, the bottom 50% of China has been consistently prioritized, while elsewhere the poor are discarded and left behind: Meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. If we flail about in vulgar "whataboutisms" rather than genuine comparistics, then we will fail to actually see what's going on. We must, as the Chinese Marxists say, seek truth from facts. We must not presuppose a conclusion and justify it based on ideology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children) Why is it you are aware "no you" isn't a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a "no you" argument? You make bold declarations like "the US's propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it", with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims. China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets. Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy. An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war. I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of "whataboutisms" while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more "no you" arguments? The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it. It's good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker. Read up on Ding Jiaxi too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago I did not make a "no you" argument, I explicitly addressed your argument and changed it to one of comparistics. I referenced hard data and gave a materialist response, drawing on the immense improval of living conditions in China. The fact that the US's propaganda apparatus has existed for centuries longer can be understood by the simple fact that the modern Chinese and Russian states are less than a century old. Both saw immense changes in societal makeup and organization between the old states and the new. The US emerged as the world's imperial hegemon in the aftermath of World War II, as I already explained earlier, while China was just forming its new society and attempting to overcome the problems of feudalism. The USSR, meanwhile, dissolved in 1991, resulting in the modern Russian Federation and intense economic devastation, devastation that resulted in the single greatest drop in life expectancy in history outside of wartime. As for Ding Jiaxi, he was organizing directly against the socialist state of China, in a subversive manner. This is openly understood to be illegal in China, as it is in every state. China is a socialist country, not capitalist, so the process of developing socialism comes through reform, not subversion. China has been governed by Marxist-Leninists since 1949, and this has only strengthened under Xi Jinping. More schools for Marxism have been opened in China, and the CPC has over 100 million members. You do not have an argument, you merely copy and paste what I said while changing keywords. This is ineffective propaganda on your part at best. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship. their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. You're being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is "propaganda." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 child) The world did already, but just not enough to cut (economic) ties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago Thank goodness for the rise of alternatives like China and the increase in south-south trade, undermining unequal exchange by keeping the wealth within the global south. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago Thank goodness for the rise of alternatives like China and the increase in south-south trade, undermining unequal exchange by keeping the wealth within the global south. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children) Obama did the exact same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 14 hours ago Obama has been maligned for it too. Trump deserves the same ridicule. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 12 hours ago (1 child) There's never been a POTUS who didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crispbacon99@lemmy.zip -2 points 11 hours ago (2 children) These types of comments never elaborate or talk about other relevant things like how Obama didn't take us into a full blown war with Iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Obama did destroy Libya. Is your point that it was better to turn Libya into a country with open-air slave markets and massacre thousands of people, or is your point that it's better than the Iran War because it didn't backfire as splendidly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago Exactly! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago Why don't you use the same internet you're using to look it up? You'll remember longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 14 hours ago Obama has been maligned for it too. Trump deserves the same ridicule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 12 hours ago (1 child) There's never been a POTUS who didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crispbacon99@lemmy.zip -2 points 11 hours ago (2 children) These types of comments never elaborate or talk about other relevant things like how Obama didn't take us into a full blown war with Iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Obama did destroy Libya. Is your point that it was better to turn Libya into a country with open-air slave markets and massacre thousands of people, or is your point that it's better than the Iran War because it didn't backfire as splendidly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago Exactly! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago Why don't you use the same internet you're using to look it up? You'll remember longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crispbacon99@lemmy.zip -2 points 11 hours ago (2 children) These types of comments never elaborate or talk about other relevant things like how Obama didn't take us into a full blown war with Iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Obama did destroy Libya. Is your point that it was better to turn Libya into a country with open-air slave markets and massacre thousands of people, or is your point that it's better than the Iran War because it didn't backfire as splendidly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago Exactly! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago Why don't you use the same internet you're using to look it up? You'll remember longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Obama did destroy Libya. Is your point that it was better to turn Libya into a country with open-air slave markets and massacre thousands of people, or is your point that it's better than the Iran War because it didn't backfire as splendidly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago Exactly! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago Exactly! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago Why don't you use the same internet you're using to look it up? You'll remember longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago (16 children) Just making sure the ENTIRE world hates the US. Bush Jr took you to the brink of that (after marching towards that cliff hard with other previous admins)... the US only needed a nudge to get there and electing a child rapist was like taking the off ramp into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)