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US government sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material: »it is critical for the United States to ‘retain global leadership in artificial intelligence.« (techcrunch.com)
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[–] 20 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

To my understanding, and excuse me if I‘m wrong because I‘m not a lawyer but that‘s not what the fucking law says? You either uphold copyright law or abandon it. There is no middle way and if courts disagree with you, your stance doesn‘t really matter here.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    They got you hoodwinked there.

    They don't like to talk about it, but the US founding fathers were raging leftists (although that terminology didn't exist yet). The framers of the constitution had no intention to create a class of intellectual landlords extracting rent from the people. That is why copyright is strictly limited in the constitution.

    [the United States Congress shall have power] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause

    The language is archaic. Useful Arts means inventions and Science means knowledge. The economic consequences of copyright are very much at issue.

    That AI training is (generally) Fair Use is a no-brainer. It's actually much harder to justify copyrights for entertainment products.

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  • [–] 11 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    You misunderstand. YOU can’t use the data. Heck, you can’t easily find it anymore either. They’re scanning all the books and ripping them up as we speak too.

    Big companies CAN because they own YOU. Clear?

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  • [–] -3 points 14 hours ago

    Uh what do you mean you can't easily find it anymore? Search engines still exist (perhaps avoid Google unless you have to use it) and neither bookstores, nor the library, are out of books.

    The reason they can do this with books is that there are so, so many books that nobody else wants to buy. Like so many that you can just buy books by the foot as a decoration. What books will you get? Nobody knows because nobody gave enough of a fuck to write it down. They're only valuable for LLM training because they're new data and they're only "rare" (as said in some articles) because there wasn't enough demand to print more.

    And destroying the books means there's no extra copy of them, so for the purpose of copyright law, all is good unless an LLM straight up recites a passage from a book.

    Honestly that whole thing might end up being net neutral or even positive, as the paper can be recycled, instead of sitting around as books nobody will read.

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