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Food served to US service men & women. (thelemmy.club)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/59274002

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[–] 1 point 21 hours ago (1 child)

Yes you should also not work for Amazon, if you have a choice. For most people they do not have that choice unless they want to be essentially homeless. Most people do have other choices than the military. The severity is also worse, one is supporting an evil company, one is killing civilians, so you are more morally in the wrong for being complicit in the latter.

If I'm the one who hands the killer the gun, am I almost exactly as culpable? What if I hand it to the guy who hands it to him? What if I just fix the ship he is on to kill people? Well suddenly now I'm just fine and did nothing wrong?

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  • [–] 0 points 20 hours ago* (1 child)

    Most people do have other choices than the military

    THIS, is your privilege showing.

    This is your normalized worldview because, to you, you had other options. Most people do, right? Meanwhile ignoring the minority of hundreds millions.....

    Lets do some math real quick.

    What percent of households make less than $30k net?

    It's about 23.5% of America...

    23.5% of 350milllion people. Actually, lets be fair here and only use that adult populate of 205.7million and round it down

    23.5% of 200million?

    47million people a struggling.

    How many of them do you think have better options?

    Most of them, right? Lets say 95% of them have better options, so, of 5% of 47million?

    That's 2.35 million people that don't have better options....

    what's the size of the US active duty military?

    US has 1.33 million active duty military.... Obviously, not everyone in the military is some empoverished slave. The gungho yipee types do exist too.

    But, just guess, what ratio do you think of those two types of people exist in 1.33 million? I'll do you a solid, I'll say that the gunghos outweigh 2:1....

    That's ~400,000 people who were poor, likely with no other options.

    NONE of this excuses the actions of the American imperalist military. This is the system working as intended. Keep the people poor, and dangle socialism through military service.

    If you didn't have to choose between military and homeless, or Amazon and homeless... if you had other options, I'm happy for you, I am, really. It's a privilege to have the opportunity and luck to do something else.... but you're using that privilege to punch down by ignoring the millions who didn't have your opportunities.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago* (1 child)

    I mean sure you could just guess at the percentages, or you could look at what people actively serving said their reasons for joining were.

    https://worldmetrics.org/reasons-for-joining-the-military-statistics/#b-7-data-sources

    29% said it was for financial security, and if we assume ALL of those have NO option besides being homeless, not just that they wanted financial stability, that's still 70% of the military supporting the current evil by choice.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 child)

    OH DANG, so you mean to say, when I clocked it around 33% were poor and needed a job I was almost spot on with a study you found.... crazy....

    it's almost like... My lived experience means that I probably know wtf I'm talking about vs some terminally online, privileged, teenagers.

    You can be mad, you can downvote me in protest.... but.. you see the numbers, right? The same numbers I've just shown and you just linked to.... You can't downvote the facts and numbers. And the fact is, that you have a bias, a privilege, that blinds you. That tells you it's justifiable to punch down at millions of people (active and veteran) who are victims of the same shitty system of opportunistic capitalism.

    I'm not making excuses for the military as a whole, or its actions. But I'm not going to lump the cook as the same kind of monster as the general. And again, you're a crazy person if you do.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago

    That's 29% that joined for financial stability, not that they had no other options. There are many that join because they are destitute, and I won't blame them just like I won't blame the few in auschwitz who stole from others while starving. That is absolutely not the majority though and most are there because it was convenient for them or high paying.

    The cook is not equally responsible, just like a getaway driver in a bank robbery is not equally responsible, but they are still massively aiding the perpetrators. If every cook quit the military, would that not have a massive negative impact on military operations? Lower morale, harder to get certain types of foods eaten, more waste, food is one of THE most important things for a military.

    You can argue the extent of the impact, but it's one of the biggest deciders of morale, and no chef means massive morale hit, which means less willingness to follow (in trumps case, illegal) orders, less willingness to remain in the army, and worse overall performance. By providing that service you are significantly increasing the effectiveness of the military. That doesn't make you the same as the person shooting the gun, but you still carry a lot of the responsibility for it happening.

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