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"You can’t just throw new people at that problem": Bethesda devs doubt future Elder Scrolls and Fallout games will have the same "quality level", after losing seasoned staff to Xbox cuts (www.rockpapershotgun.com)
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[–] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Also what, like, Bethesda is going to somehow make the Creation Engine not a giant pile of shit, with now 15 more years of acculumated technical debt from never doing a full ground up rebuild... ?

We've been saying this since Morrowind: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skyrim, Fallout NV, Fallout 4 - Gamebryo sucks, what are they going to do to this wheezing trash heap etc etc - and every time they do the same thing: update the graphics and gameplay marginally, introduce new elements (dual wielding magic, radiant quests, settlement building, whatever) release it as the "new" version (outrageously buggy ofc) and largely let the mod community fix it. I'll go out on a limb here and say that's probably what FO5 and ESVI will also do, it's the path of least resistance and nobody will be bringing out their surprised Pikachu faces.

I don't really care all that much because I like the games, none more than FONV, so I'd be happy for Obsidian to hot rod FO4 into something equally interesting.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I agree with everything you said but the obsidian game will be using creation engine 3. Which is the engine running ES6 and fallout 5. Just a minor detail, and it'll still have the same issues as every other thing Bethesda does. Todd NEEDS to be fired. Should have been fired 10 years ago. It's insanity that he's still in charge after this long making as many poor decisions as he has for that long. It must be nice to be rewarded for decades of incompetence.

    I honestly can't believe anybody bought FO76 or starfield. Like at all. I played 76 for a week because it was free on PS+ and it was straight up garbage. It's hard to even call it a fallout game. I would judge anybody who paid money and got the passes, but I don't know anybody irl who did that. I played it for free and it still felt like a scam. It's an empty shell of a game with a fallout theme. And starfield, well I wouldn't even bother with that if it was free. Don't get me started on fallout shelters.

    They're doing all these side jobs because Todd knows if they make another series game they're going to fuck it up worse than anything they've made before. Their reputation is shit and they know that as soon as they make another mainline game, it'll tank their reputation to a point they won't recover from. THATS why it's taken 15, and 11 years. If fallout 5 or ES6 gets anything but stellar reviews, I'm out. I'm talking 100% glowing. If they're not that, I'll wait till Todd is begging for change on the street before I give Bethesda another dime.

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 child)

    I don't believe that Obsidian will be using CE3, I believe they will use the same engine as FO4/Starfield. I don't think they will be tasked with pushing the technology further now any more than they were tasked with it for FONV. They may extend it a bit (like how they added weapon mods in FONV) but their focus will only be on releasing an entertaining title quickly (and I think the whole idea to bring Obsidian in was a great decision on Microsoft's part). I think the other group will be tasked with moving the engine forward for FO5 and ESVI.

    I agree with your assessments of both FO76 and Starfield. I played them both, but only because I got free accounts for both of them, FO76 on Xbox and Starfield I got a month's worth of free Game Pass and played it via streaming. They're both terrible. FO4 was also pretty terrible, imo. I've enjoyed replaying the Oblivion remaster more than anything they've done since Skyrim. So, I'm also not holding my breath for what comes next and you might be 100% right, but I do like the Obsidian angle for this reason, if nothing else: the competition will put Todd's incompetence on display. Todd's not the only game in town now, and for the first time in over a decade, he might be feeling some heat.

    Edit: if they do use the FO4 engine, I hope they correct every stupid mistake they made in FO4 the way you can do it yourself with mods.

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    CE3 is already done and they've been using it on ES6 for a few years now. Starfield was 2 and FO4 was CE1. I doubt they'd hinder the game by going that far back. The Todd said the new one is really speeding up the process, and we know Asha Sharma wants this stuff as fast as possible. Now, Todd might want to keep it close to the vest, and not give Obsidian the newest toys, but it might not be up to him. And I really hope it isnt. But the furthest back I could see it going is 2. which looks amazing in still frames but soulless in movement, and once again, awful at face movement.

    So at worst it would be 2 but I really think it may be CE3. Microsoft wants the money and it'd be harder for a lot of people to justify buying a new game with a 4+ year old engine let alone 15+ years.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    Sorry, I hadn't heard anything about CE3 being done. I knew CE1 was Skyrim, I didn't realize that FO4 was still considered to be on CE1, it was a pretty big step up, I'm surprised. So CE2 is Starfield, my thought process still stands, which is: I wouldn't be surprised if they used Starfield as the basis for the Obsidian project, in much the same way as they used FO3 for FONV.

    Anyway, it's not important whether they use CE3 or however it washes out, I'm just actually excited by Obsidian doing a new Fallout. Todd can suck it.

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  • [–] 2 points 17 hours ago

    Hey no worries on not being caught up on everything, I just have no social life anymore. Like I said, you might be right on CE2 just from Todd being petty. And yeah I agree on being amped for the obsidian game. One of the devs said you should be hurting inside from some of the choices they want you make.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago*

    Yeah I mean like... a full on conversion at the level of Fallout London or something like that, but with access to more 'guts' of the engine... done by pros?

    Yeah, I'd bet Obsidian can do something like that, at the least, and it would be broadly better than FO4, again at the least.

    Also my absolute random bet for FO5/ES6 will be radiant enemies along the line of Spore creatures, hahahah!

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