▲ 92 ▼ California School Bans Kids' E-Bikes, So They Start Parking Them At The Neighbors' Homes (www.backyardgardenlover.com) submitted 20 hours ago by slothrop@lemmy.ca to c/micromobility@lemmy.world 29 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago* (1 child) Fuck carbrained assholes. The kids are trying to help, and they want to ban the "newfangled machine that we didn't have as kids." To be clear this is directed at the school board more than the residents of the neighborhood. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago (7 children) I think it's a bit more complicated than that. District Attorney Todd Spitzer’s office said injuries involving e-bikes and e-motorcycles in Southern California had increased 430% over four years. The office has also pursued cases against parents accused of knowingly allowing children to operate electric motorcycles illegally. I see these electric dirt bikes everywhere, kids usually aren't wearing helmets, and they're pretty reckless with them. These are "bikes" that do not conform to e-bike standards for riding on the road without licensing. Fun, yes, but an accident waiting to happen. I think the school overreached, and should allow ebikes that conform to legal requirements to ride them unlicensed, but they are fighting a legitimate problem. They should have police there ticketing and impounding the illegal bikes and let the parents sort it out. I'll bet many of the parents don't even know their kids are illegally riding what is effectively a motorcycle, and there is no insurance to cover their liability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Leviathan@fedinsfw.app 3 points 10 hours ago Had the number of affordable ebikes also tossed 430%? I wouldn't be surprised. I hate ebikes but I prefer kids riding those to being in cars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 19 points 17 hours ago (1 child) I find statistics about how e-bike accidents have surged by X% irritating. They are often cited by people who want to see them banned, but there is never any context included. How much has ridership itself increased? What percentage of these involved unlicensed e-motos? What proportion of these accidents showed definite fault on the part of the cyclist? How do the figures compare to scooters (e or not), regular bikes, skateboards, inline skates, etc. I'm not saying there isn't a problem. More regulation/education/infrastructure may be needed if there is an obvious trend in say total hospital visits surging since children got access to e-bikes or e-scooters. But it's never framed that way in articles. They always read that e-bike-related accidents are on the increase. That alone is hardly surprising when they were much less available in the first place a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago Year 1: 8 ebike injuries Year 2: 24 ebike injuries Report: EBIKE INJURIES ARE UP 300%!!!!!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago* First of all, I agree that powerful e-motorcycles being misrepresented as bicycles is the vast majority of the problem here. That said, even legitimate Class 1 and 2 e-bikes aren't legal to operate by people under age 16 in some places. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Injuries involving ebikes increased 430%? Sounds alarming. How much has ebike use increased over that period? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago Another interesting statistic would be how frequently kids are out side and/or active. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago So enforce the laws and get those illegal e-motos off the road. Also ticket the parents of children who refuse to use a helmet. If it's good enough for Tony Hawk, it's good enough for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) So we should be mad at the article for not distiguishing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago I'd say you should be mad at the school district; they've failed to distinguish and instead put in a blanket ban on electric bikes/scooters of all types, legal or not. Some kids/parrents break the law and ride unsafely or use devices that exceed legal standards, so nobody gets cheap convenient and efficient transport. - School District permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Those are car crashes. The cara hit them, then we blame the bikes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children) Are you saying that a bicycle can’t be at fault? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* I can't speak to what they are or are not saying, but bicycles (electric and manual alike) often get blamed when they are not at fault, that is an undeniable trend. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 point 15 hours ago Clearly it’s a snowboarders fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago (7 children) I think it's a bit more complicated than that. District Attorney Todd Spitzer’s office said injuries involving e-bikes and e-motorcycles in Southern California had increased 430% over four years. The office has also pursued cases against parents accused of knowingly allowing children to operate electric motorcycles illegally. I see these electric dirt bikes everywhere, kids usually aren't wearing helmets, and they're pretty reckless with them. These are "bikes" that do not conform to e-bike standards for riding on the road without licensing. Fun, yes, but an accident waiting to happen. I think the school overreached, and should allow ebikes that conform to legal requirements to ride them unlicensed, but they are fighting a legitimate problem. They should have police there ticketing and impounding the illegal bikes and let the parents sort it out. I'll bet many of the parents don't even know their kids are illegally riding what is effectively a motorcycle, and there is no insurance to cover their liability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Leviathan@fedinsfw.app 3 points 10 hours ago Had the number of affordable ebikes also tossed 430%? I wouldn't be surprised. I hate ebikes but I prefer kids riding those to being in cars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 19 points 17 hours ago (1 child) I find statistics about how e-bike accidents have surged by X% irritating. They are often cited by people who want to see them banned, but there is never any context included. How much has ridership itself increased? What percentage of these involved unlicensed e-motos? What proportion of these accidents showed definite fault on the part of the cyclist? How do the figures compare to scooters (e or not), regular bikes, skateboards, inline skates, etc. I'm not saying there isn't a problem. More regulation/education/infrastructure may be needed if there is an obvious trend in say total hospital visits surging since children got access to e-bikes or e-scooters. But it's never framed that way in articles. They always read that e-bike-related accidents are on the increase. That alone is hardly surprising when they were much less available in the first place a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago Year 1: 8 ebike injuries Year 2: 24 ebike injuries Report: EBIKE INJURIES ARE UP 300%!!!!!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago* First of all, I agree that powerful e-motorcycles being misrepresented as bicycles is the vast majority of the problem here. That said, even legitimate Class 1 and 2 e-bikes aren't legal to operate by people under age 16 in some places. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Injuries involving ebikes increased 430%? Sounds alarming. How much has ebike use increased over that period? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago Another interesting statistic would be how frequently kids are out side and/or active. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago So enforce the laws and get those illegal e-motos off the road. Also ticket the parents of children who refuse to use a helmet. If it's good enough for Tony Hawk, it's good enough for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) So we should be mad at the article for not distiguishing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago I'd say you should be mad at the school district; they've failed to distinguish and instead put in a blanket ban on electric bikes/scooters of all types, legal or not. Some kids/parrents break the law and ride unsafely or use devices that exceed legal standards, so nobody gets cheap convenient and efficient transport. - School District permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Those are car crashes. The cara hit them, then we blame the bikes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children) Are you saying that a bicycle can’t be at fault? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* I can't speak to what they are or are not saying, but bicycles (electric and manual alike) often get blamed when they are not at fault, that is an undeniable trend. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 point 15 hours ago Clearly it’s a snowboarders fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Leviathan@fedinsfw.app 3 points 10 hours ago Had the number of affordable ebikes also tossed 430%? I wouldn't be surprised. I hate ebikes but I prefer kids riding those to being in cars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 19 points 17 hours ago (1 child) I find statistics about how e-bike accidents have surged by X% irritating. They are often cited by people who want to see them banned, but there is never any context included. How much has ridership itself increased? What percentage of these involved unlicensed e-motos? What proportion of these accidents showed definite fault on the part of the cyclist? How do the figures compare to scooters (e or not), regular bikes, skateboards, inline skates, etc. I'm not saying there isn't a problem. More regulation/education/infrastructure may be needed if there is an obvious trend in say total hospital visits surging since children got access to e-bikes or e-scooters. But it's never framed that way in articles. They always read that e-bike-related accidents are on the increase. That alone is hardly surprising when they were much less available in the first place a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago Year 1: 8 ebike injuries Year 2: 24 ebike injuries Report: EBIKE INJURIES ARE UP 300%!!!!!!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago Year 1: 8 ebike injuries Year 2: 24 ebike injuries Report: EBIKE INJURIES ARE UP 300%!!!!!!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago* First of all, I agree that powerful e-motorcycles being misrepresented as bicycles is the vast majority of the problem here. That said, even legitimate Class 1 and 2 e-bikes aren't legal to operate by people under age 16 in some places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Injuries involving ebikes increased 430%? Sounds alarming. How much has ebike use increased over that period? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago Another interesting statistic would be how frequently kids are out side and/or active. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rethnor@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago Another interesting statistic would be how frequently kids are out side and/or active. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago So enforce the laws and get those illegal e-motos off the road. Also ticket the parents of children who refuse to use a helmet. If it's good enough for Tony Hawk, it's good enough for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) So we should be mad at the article for not distiguishing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago I'd say you should be mad at the school district; they've failed to distinguish and instead put in a blanket ban on electric bikes/scooters of all types, legal or not. Some kids/parrents break the law and ride unsafely or use devices that exceed legal standards, so nobody gets cheap convenient and efficient transport. - School District permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago I'd say you should be mad at the school district; they've failed to distinguish and instead put in a blanket ban on electric bikes/scooters of all types, legal or not. Some kids/parrents break the law and ride unsafely or use devices that exceed legal standards, so nobody gets cheap convenient and efficient transport. - School District permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Those are car crashes. The cara hit them, then we blame the bikes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children) Are you saying that a bicycle can’t be at fault? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* I can't speak to what they are or are not saying, but bicycles (electric and manual alike) often get blamed when they are not at fault, that is an undeniable trend. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 point 15 hours ago Clearly it’s a snowboarders fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children) Are you saying that a bicycle can’t be at fault? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* I can't speak to what they are or are not saying, but bicycles (electric and manual alike) often get blamed when they are not at fault, that is an undeniable trend. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 point 15 hours ago Clearly it’s a snowboarders fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* I can't speak to what they are or are not saying, but bicycles (electric and manual alike) often get blamed when they are not at fault, that is an undeniable trend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 point 15 hours ago Clearly it’s a snowboarders fault. permalink fedilink source parent