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[–] 26 points 19 hours ago* (1 child)

Fuck carbrained assholes. The kids are trying to help, and they want to ban the "newfangled machine that we didn't have as kids."

To be clear this is directed at the school board more than the residents of the neighborhood.

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  • [–] 29 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

    I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

    District Attorney Todd Spitzer’s office said injuries involving e-bikes and e-motorcycles in Southern California had increased 430% over four years. The office has also pursued cases against parents accused of knowingly allowing children to operate electric motorcycles illegally.

    I see these electric dirt bikes everywhere, kids usually aren't wearing helmets, and they're pretty reckless with them. These are "bikes" that do not conform to e-bike standards for riding on the road without licensing. Fun, yes, but an accident waiting to happen. I think the school overreached, and should allow ebikes that conform to legal requirements to ride them unlicensed, but they are fighting a legitimate problem. They should have police there ticketing and impounding the illegal bikes and let the parents sort it out. I'll bet many of the parents don't even know their kids are illegally riding what is effectively a motorcycle, and there is no insurance to cover their liability.

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  • [–] 19 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    I find statistics about how e-bike accidents have surged by X% irritating. They are often cited by people who want to see them banned, but there is never any context included. How much has ridership itself increased? What percentage of these involved unlicensed e-motos? What proportion of these accidents showed definite fault on the part of the cyclist? How do the figures compare to scooters (e or not), regular bikes, skateboards, inline skates, etc.

    I'm not saying there isn't a problem. More regulation/education/infrastructure may be needed if there is an obvious trend in say total hospital visits surging since children got access to e-bikes or e-scooters. But it's never framed that way in articles. They always read that e-bike-related accidents are on the increase. That alone is hardly surprising when they were much less available in the first place a decade ago.

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  • [–] 11 points 16 hours ago*

    First of all, I agree that powerful e-motorcycles being misrepresented as bicycles is the vast majority of the problem here.

    That said, even legitimate Class 1 and 2 e-bikes aren't legal to operate by people under age 16 in some places.

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    So we should be mad at the article for not distiguishing

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  • [–] 9 points 19 hours ago

    I'd say you should be mad at the school district; they've failed to distinguish and instead put in a blanket ban on electric bikes/scooters of all types, legal or not.

    Some kids/parrents break the law and ride unsafely or use devices that exceed legal standards, so nobody gets cheap convenient and efficient transport. - School District

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  • [–] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    Those are car crashes. The cara hit them, then we blame the bikes

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    Are you saying that a bicycle can’t be at fault?

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