▲ 53 ▼ Ford government to begin ripping out, reconfiguring Toronto bike lanes following court of appeal ruling (www.cbc.ca) submitted 3 days ago by radish6367@lemmy.ca to c/toronto@lemmy.ca 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] dotCody@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (6 children) WHY do you people keep voting for Ford?! permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago They dont vote at all. Province is full of idiots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jade52@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (3 children) The people who are voting for Ford are rural and suburban people who have only driven a car their entire lives to get to school, work, groceries, etc. Most of Ontario is not walkable or bikeable. So if you've only ever gotten places by driving in a car your whole life, why would you want bike lanes? Why not just get a car? Source: I lived in suburban hell my whole life until 2015. Literally nobody gave a shit about any transportation method other than their car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* Yeah, honestly, you don't have to go that far to get to a point where biking becomes hellish. By the time you hit St. Clair the cycling network is already sparse, which in turn makes driving easier / necessary, which then makes people more car focused. It's a feedback loop problem that can go either direction. I genuinely think that Ford and his friends are just fucking morons and don't understand how self defeating they're being in the long run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago So if you’ve only ever gotten places by driving in a car your whole life, why would you want bike lanes? Because bike lanes get the cyclists out of the car drivers' way. No bike lane = cars stuck behind the bike. Bike lanes are car infrastructure, not bike infrastructure. If it weren't for cars, bike lanes wouldn't be necessary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) not buying a car is an attack on Canadian Auto Workers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Then I have been waging war for decades permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) :'-( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago Before I heard the concept of a 15min city I lived my life like this. I do not and never have driven and see no reason to change. I live down town and our busses though tedious do run regular, more than can be said of our rail. I can't count how much I have saved in gas, maintenance, and repairs permalink fedilink source parent [–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago Well, a few reasons. In the 2022 election Ontario had a voter turnout of 44%, meaning whoever gets chosen, it's not by "most people" because most people didn't even show up. Of those who did, 40% of votes were cast for Ford's party. So in terms of popular vote and raw numbers, about 18% of valid electors actually checked a box next to a Conservative candidate. Doesn't that feel kinda weird? From the 40% of votes that were cast for a Conservative candidate, they received 68% of the seats. So even among the Ontarians that voted, 54% of them voted for someone left of Conservative and instead we got 68% Conservative representatives in parliament. Of the places that voted for Conservative, most of them had relatively low population. Unsurprisingly, if you look at a map of Ontario for the riding results by colour, you can basically see where all the population centres are because they are the ones that aren't blue. So, as a concrete example, the places he's removing bike lanes are predominantly not places he was votes for. To conclude, basically we don't vote for him. But he wins anyway due to structural bullshit, a lack of proportional representation, and then a bunch of apathy likely brought on by a lack of representation. Data permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (2 children) Let me guess "he tells it like it is!" and "I just feel like I could sit down and have a beer with him" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago He's old, white, fat and stupid. Lots of people identify with him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 child) Fucking hell your dad/uncle/brother/whomever says this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago Yeah :( permalink fedilink source parent [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago Toronto loves anyone with Ford next to their name. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago Because beer is $1 now. Nobody fact check that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago They dont vote at all. Province is full of idiots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jade52@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (3 children) The people who are voting for Ford are rural and suburban people who have only driven a car their entire lives to get to school, work, groceries, etc. Most of Ontario is not walkable or bikeable. So if you've only ever gotten places by driving in a car your whole life, why would you want bike lanes? Why not just get a car? Source: I lived in suburban hell my whole life until 2015. Literally nobody gave a shit about any transportation method other than their car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* Yeah, honestly, you don't have to go that far to get to a point where biking becomes hellish. By the time you hit St. Clair the cycling network is already sparse, which in turn makes driving easier / necessary, which then makes people more car focused. It's a feedback loop problem that can go either direction. I genuinely think that Ford and his friends are just fucking morons and don't understand how self defeating they're being in the long run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago So if you’ve only ever gotten places by driving in a car your whole life, why would you want bike lanes? Because bike lanes get the cyclists out of the car drivers' way. No bike lane = cars stuck behind the bike. Bike lanes are car infrastructure, not bike infrastructure. If it weren't for cars, bike lanes wouldn't be necessary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) not buying a car is an attack on Canadian Auto Workers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Then I have been waging war for decades permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) :'-( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago Before I heard the concept of a 15min city I lived my life like this. I do not and never have driven and see no reason to change. I live down town and our busses though tedious do run regular, more than can be said of our rail. I can't count how much I have saved in gas, maintenance, and repairs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* Yeah, honestly, you don't have to go that far to get to a point where biking becomes hellish. By the time you hit St. Clair the cycling network is already sparse, which in turn makes driving easier / necessary, which then makes people more car focused. It's a feedback loop problem that can go either direction. I genuinely think that Ford and his friends are just fucking morons and don't understand how self defeating they're being in the long run. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago So if you’ve only ever gotten places by driving in a car your whole life, why would you want bike lanes? Because bike lanes get the cyclists out of the car drivers' way. No bike lane = cars stuck behind the bike. Bike lanes are car infrastructure, not bike infrastructure. If it weren't for cars, bike lanes wouldn't be necessary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 child) not buying a car is an attack on Canadian Auto Workers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Then I have been waging war for decades permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) :'-( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago Before I heard the concept of a 15min city I lived my life like this. I do not and never have driven and see no reason to change. I live down town and our busses though tedious do run regular, more than can be said of our rail. I can't count how much I have saved in gas, maintenance, and repairs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Then I have been waging war for decades permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) :'-( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago Before I heard the concept of a 15min city I lived my life like this. I do not and never have driven and see no reason to change. I live down town and our busses though tedious do run regular, more than can be said of our rail. I can't count how much I have saved in gas, maintenance, and repairs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) :'-( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago Before I heard the concept of a 15min city I lived my life like this. I do not and never have driven and see no reason to change. I live down town and our busses though tedious do run regular, more than can be said of our rail. I can't count how much I have saved in gas, maintenance, and repairs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 hours ago Before I heard the concept of a 15min city I lived my life like this. I do not and never have driven and see no reason to change. I live down town and our busses though tedious do run regular, more than can be said of our rail. I can't count how much I have saved in gas, maintenance, and repairs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago Well, a few reasons. In the 2022 election Ontario had a voter turnout of 44%, meaning whoever gets chosen, it's not by "most people" because most people didn't even show up. Of those who did, 40% of votes were cast for Ford's party. So in terms of popular vote and raw numbers, about 18% of valid electors actually checked a box next to a Conservative candidate. Doesn't that feel kinda weird? From the 40% of votes that were cast for a Conservative candidate, they received 68% of the seats. So even among the Ontarians that voted, 54% of them voted for someone left of Conservative and instead we got 68% Conservative representatives in parliament. Of the places that voted for Conservative, most of them had relatively low population. Unsurprisingly, if you look at a map of Ontario for the riding results by colour, you can basically see where all the population centres are because they are the ones that aren't blue. So, as a concrete example, the places he's removing bike lanes are predominantly not places he was votes for. To conclude, basically we don't vote for him. But he wins anyway due to structural bullshit, a lack of proportional representation, and then a bunch of apathy likely brought on by a lack of representation. Data permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (2 children) Let me guess "he tells it like it is!" and "I just feel like I could sit down and have a beer with him" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago He's old, white, fat and stupid. Lots of people identify with him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 child) Fucking hell your dad/uncle/brother/whomever says this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago Yeah :( permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago He's old, white, fat and stupid. Lots of people identify with him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 child) Fucking hell your dad/uncle/brother/whomever says this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago Yeah :( permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago Toronto loves anyone with Ford next to their name. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago Because beer is $1 now. Nobody fact check that. permalink fedilink source parent