▲ 22 ▼ Australia made cigarettes expensive to stop people smoking. Did it go too far? (www.abc.net.au) submitted 1 week ago by Yasm@programming.dev to c/australia@aussie.zone 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 child) OK, so previously illegal cigs were 10% of the market, and now they're 80%. But the market has shrunk dramatically. From the article: In 2010, about one in seven Australians smoked daily. The country's main national household survey last year found that rate had dropped to about one in 18 people. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) If you assume the market halved, absolute illegal trade still went up 4x permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slashme@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 child) And if less than half as many people are smoking, that's still a win in my book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Sure just ignore the drive by shootings and burning buildings on your way down the street permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago* If the market continues to trend downwards then illegal trade will fall as well until it's below pre-excise levels. If the market plateaus with the illegal market still above pre-excise levels then I'd agree they should remove the excise and call the policy a failure... Well, maybe, you might be able to argue some marginal increase is worth a massive decrease in smoking, not 4x, but maybe 1.1-1.3x. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) If you assume the market halved, absolute illegal trade still went up 4x permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slashme@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 child) And if less than half as many people are smoking, that's still a win in my book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Sure just ignore the drive by shootings and burning buildings on your way down the street permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago* If the market continues to trend downwards then illegal trade will fall as well until it's below pre-excise levels. If the market plateaus with the illegal market still above pre-excise levels then I'd agree they should remove the excise and call the policy a failure... Well, maybe, you might be able to argue some marginal increase is worth a massive decrease in smoking, not 4x, but maybe 1.1-1.3x. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 child) And if less than half as many people are smoking, that's still a win in my book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Sure just ignore the drive by shootings and burning buildings on your way down the street permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago* If the market continues to trend downwards then illegal trade will fall as well until it's below pre-excise levels. If the market plateaus with the illegal market still above pre-excise levels then I'd agree they should remove the excise and call the policy a failure... Well, maybe, you might be able to argue some marginal increase is worth a massive decrease in smoking, not 4x, but maybe 1.1-1.3x. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Sure just ignore the drive by shootings and burning buildings on your way down the street permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago* If the market continues to trend downwards then illegal trade will fall as well until it's below pre-excise levels. If the market plateaus with the illegal market still above pre-excise levels then I'd agree they should remove the excise and call the policy a failure... Well, maybe, you might be able to argue some marginal increase is worth a massive decrease in smoking, not 4x, but maybe 1.1-1.3x. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago* If the market continues to trend downwards then illegal trade will fall as well until it's below pre-excise levels. If the market plateaus with the illegal market still above pre-excise levels then I'd agree they should remove the excise and call the policy a failure... Well, maybe, you might be able to argue some marginal increase is worth a massive decrease in smoking, not 4x, but maybe 1.1-1.3x. permalink fedilink source parent