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[–] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

please elaborate. Let's have a conversation about this and better understand each other

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  • [–] -3 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

    Ok. Do you think China is not an authoritarian state? I believe they are for reasons such as their social credit system and their game console bans that went for like 15 years and banning any games that would allow user generated political content and any political opposition will land you in a camp.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    social credit system

    Thing that isn't real.

    their game console bans that went for like 15 years and banning any games that would allow user generated political content

    Entirely logical and reasonable thing to do (to shut down a massive pipe of information warfare) when faced with the most prolific and pervasive intelligence and propaganda apparatus in history who wishes nothing but for the destruction of your people.

    and any political opposition will land you in a camp.

    Untrue. Also using camp instead of prison to evoke concentration camp imagery and attempt to liken the Chinese government and Chinese people to Nazis is disgusting and you should be ashamed.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 child)

    Ok. Call it prison then. Same issue. Also, what would happen if you said on social media that you thought the tiananmen square massacre was an atrocity?

    Also, if you don't feel it's an authoritarian government, what do you call it?

    *Edit: I forgot to ask. The videogame thing. What country are you referring to here? Since games were coming out of many different countries and most of the consoles were out of Japan. Who exactly there is your enemy? And if all of it was to block propaganda and misinformation from other countries, that implies that China was the only source of information you were allowed to know of growing up? You don't feel like that was oppressive at all?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 hours ago

    Also, what would happen if you said on social media that you thought the tiananmen square massacre was an atrocity?

    Literally nothing. Discussion and much more intense criticism of the Deng Xiaoping government's handling of the June 4th incident exists on xiaohongshu.

    Are you really so daft that you believe people are getting thrown in prison for internet comments? They simply delete the garbage.

    Virtually every Chinese person has access to a VPN. The government does not care. Because the goal isn't total control over the information sphere, but rather to make Facebook slow and inconvenient enough that you decide to use Weibo instead. The western internet is blocked as industrial policy to advantage native Chinese companies and prevent the west from having algorithmic dominance over the information sphere of the Chinese public.

    If you believe that the government is seriously concerned about Chinese people being exposed to a typical reddit anti-china circlejerk, it is you who has fallen for the propaganda. How would China be able to handle students studying abroad coming home after being enlightened?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    The “social credit system” is not real. It just doesn’t exist, nobody can point to any concrete policy or framework regarding it because it’s just a fabrication of the west based on intentional misinterpretations and fabrications

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Nah, it was a real, short-lived series of experiments each of which was implemented as a series of penalized actions typically exclusive to a city or province, none of which lasted more than two years or prevented citizens from accessing public utilities. Enforcement relied on usually elderly volunteers reporting violations. This was notoriously unreliable and caused more disputes than it resolved, so the central government legally outlawed the systems they recommended be implemented and trialed by provincial or city governments.

    Still, many Chinese people clamour for this to be returned and expanded upon. Mostly people annoyed with litering, theft, scams, and other behaviors that are already illegal, but frequently violated.

    What remains today is basically a credit score for business owners and executives that also accounts for causing public harm. More or less it is a cumulative punishment for fraud, forging tax or safety data, violating environmental or labor regulations, and giving predatory interest rates or loan conditions. Think of it as a supplemental penalty for losing civil suits or violating the law where the punishment is typically a fine. Makes it so businesses cannot eat the fine because their profit exceeds the legal penalty.

    What westerners believe is a complete fabrication, one that is frequently mocked on Chinese social media.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    Quick question: what's your credit score according to EquiFax (a privately held company)?

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