▲ 281 ▼ Florida police used a fake Flock camera in a sting, then charged a man with three felonies for destroying it (www.techspot.com) submitted 3 days ago by time2lose@lemmy.world to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world 46 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (3 children) Entrapment sounds like typical Florida pig style. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago Isn't entrapment when the cops are persuading you to do it. This seems more like they set bait and someone comes and does the deed permalink fedilink source parent [–] Anivia@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago (1 child) This does not remotely fit the legal definition of entrapment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) There are two possible reasons for putting up a fake, to scare people to behave themselves and to catch someone destroying it. The latter has been happening a lot and is widely covered by the news. If it is the first then maybe it wasn't entrapment baiting, but i can't think of any other reason. Also the article specifically states the intent of the cops. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baronofclubs@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children) Bait isn't entrapment. Entrapment is when the government persuades someone to do something they normally wouldn't and charging them for it. So, an undercover officer can't pressure you to rob a bank and then charge you for it. This is more akin to a bait car, prostitution sting, or surveillance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Thanks for clarifying, didn't know the difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago* (1 child) Still seems like the same thing.. I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. This person might not normally cut down invasive surveillance technology, but if the police put up a fake flock camera in his neighborhood, he might do the right thing and cut it down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. And that wouldn't be entrapment permalink fedilink source parent [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) That's what I was thinking. Isn't this a classic case of entrapment? I guess it doesn't matter since it's Florida. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 child) Legally no, it's not entrapment. Still if the cops hadn't placed the bait, there would be no crime. They know where the line is, and ride it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Thanks for the answer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 child) I should add that given the details it's not entrapment. At the same time though, there are thousands of flock cameras, and somehow the cops knew this particular spot for a fake one would lure someone in? There's no telling if they instigated it in some way not mentioned. And the charges they filed are very likely to fall apart anyway, because it wasn't a flock camera, it was a cheap decoy, and felonies are based on actual value, not imaginary. It also may not have been authorized to be installed. So the defendant could legally have been removing vandalism from a pole. This is why you can't really adjudicate from a news story, there's a million unknowns, and often weird technical details to laws that aren't well known to the public. Top that off with most news information coming from defense lawyers giving an intentionally biased account of events, because the police don't just call the press most of the time. And when they do, it's usually to give their own damning version of events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago Good stuff, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago Isn't entrapment when the cops are persuading you to do it. This seems more like they set bait and someone comes and does the deed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Anivia@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago (1 child) This does not remotely fit the legal definition of entrapment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) There are two possible reasons for putting up a fake, to scare people to behave themselves and to catch someone destroying it. The latter has been happening a lot and is widely covered by the news. If it is the first then maybe it wasn't entrapment baiting, but i can't think of any other reason. Also the article specifically states the intent of the cops. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baronofclubs@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children) Bait isn't entrapment. Entrapment is when the government persuades someone to do something they normally wouldn't and charging them for it. So, an undercover officer can't pressure you to rob a bank and then charge you for it. This is more akin to a bait car, prostitution sting, or surveillance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Thanks for clarifying, didn't know the difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago* (1 child) Still seems like the same thing.. I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. This person might not normally cut down invasive surveillance technology, but if the police put up a fake flock camera in his neighborhood, he might do the right thing and cut it down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. And that wouldn't be entrapment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) There are two possible reasons for putting up a fake, to scare people to behave themselves and to catch someone destroying it. The latter has been happening a lot and is widely covered by the news. If it is the first then maybe it wasn't entrapment baiting, but i can't think of any other reason. Also the article specifically states the intent of the cops. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baronofclubs@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children) Bait isn't entrapment. Entrapment is when the government persuades someone to do something they normally wouldn't and charging them for it. So, an undercover officer can't pressure you to rob a bank and then charge you for it. This is more akin to a bait car, prostitution sting, or surveillance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Thanks for clarifying, didn't know the difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago* (1 child) Still seems like the same thing.. I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. This person might not normally cut down invasive surveillance technology, but if the police put up a fake flock camera in his neighborhood, he might do the right thing and cut it down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. And that wouldn't be entrapment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baronofclubs@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children) Bait isn't entrapment. Entrapment is when the government persuades someone to do something they normally wouldn't and charging them for it. So, an undercover officer can't pressure you to rob a bank and then charge you for it. This is more akin to a bait car, prostitution sting, or surveillance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Thanks for clarifying, didn't know the difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago* (1 child) Still seems like the same thing.. I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. This person might not normally cut down invasive surveillance technology, but if the police put up a fake flock camera in his neighborhood, he might do the right thing and cut it down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. And that wouldn't be entrapment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Thanks for clarifying, didn't know the difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago* (1 child) Still seems like the same thing.. I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. This person might not normally cut down invasive surveillance technology, but if the police put up a fake flock camera in his neighborhood, he might do the right thing and cut it down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. And that wouldn't be entrapment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago I wouldn't normally beat up a guy, but if a police officer was in plainclothes beating the shit out of a woman on the street, I might do the right thing and beat him up. And that wouldn't be entrapment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) That's what I was thinking. Isn't this a classic case of entrapment? I guess it doesn't matter since it's Florida. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 child) Legally no, it's not entrapment. Still if the cops hadn't placed the bait, there would be no crime. They know where the line is, and ride it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Thanks for the answer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 child) I should add that given the details it's not entrapment. At the same time though, there are thousands of flock cameras, and somehow the cops knew this particular spot for a fake one would lure someone in? There's no telling if they instigated it in some way not mentioned. And the charges they filed are very likely to fall apart anyway, because it wasn't a flock camera, it was a cheap decoy, and felonies are based on actual value, not imaginary. It also may not have been authorized to be installed. So the defendant could legally have been removing vandalism from a pole. This is why you can't really adjudicate from a news story, there's a million unknowns, and often weird technical details to laws that aren't well known to the public. Top that off with most news information coming from defense lawyers giving an intentionally biased account of events, because the police don't just call the press most of the time. And when they do, it's usually to give their own damning version of events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago Good stuff, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 child) Legally no, it's not entrapment. Still if the cops hadn't placed the bait, there would be no crime. They know where the line is, and ride it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Thanks for the answer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 child) I should add that given the details it's not entrapment. At the same time though, there are thousands of flock cameras, and somehow the cops knew this particular spot for a fake one would lure someone in? There's no telling if they instigated it in some way not mentioned. And the charges they filed are very likely to fall apart anyway, because it wasn't a flock camera, it was a cheap decoy, and felonies are based on actual value, not imaginary. It also may not have been authorized to be installed. So the defendant could legally have been removing vandalism from a pole. This is why you can't really adjudicate from a news story, there's a million unknowns, and often weird technical details to laws that aren't well known to the public. Top that off with most news information coming from defense lawyers giving an intentionally biased account of events, because the police don't just call the press most of the time. And when they do, it's usually to give their own damning version of events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago Good stuff, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Thanks for the answer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 child) I should add that given the details it's not entrapment. At the same time though, there are thousands of flock cameras, and somehow the cops knew this particular spot for a fake one would lure someone in? There's no telling if they instigated it in some way not mentioned. And the charges they filed are very likely to fall apart anyway, because it wasn't a flock camera, it was a cheap decoy, and felonies are based on actual value, not imaginary. It also may not have been authorized to be installed. So the defendant could legally have been removing vandalism from a pole. This is why you can't really adjudicate from a news story, there's a million unknowns, and often weird technical details to laws that aren't well known to the public. Top that off with most news information coming from defense lawyers giving an intentionally biased account of events, because the police don't just call the press most of the time. And when they do, it's usually to give their own damning version of events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago Good stuff, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 child) I should add that given the details it's not entrapment. At the same time though, there are thousands of flock cameras, and somehow the cops knew this particular spot for a fake one would lure someone in? There's no telling if they instigated it in some way not mentioned. And the charges they filed are very likely to fall apart anyway, because it wasn't a flock camera, it was a cheap decoy, and felonies are based on actual value, not imaginary. It also may not have been authorized to be installed. So the defendant could legally have been removing vandalism from a pole. This is why you can't really adjudicate from a news story, there's a million unknowns, and often weird technical details to laws that aren't well known to the public. Top that off with most news information coming from defense lawyers giving an intentionally biased account of events, because the police don't just call the press most of the time. And when they do, it's usually to give their own damning version of events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago Good stuff, thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago Good stuff, thanks permalink fedilink source parent