▲ 1197 ▼ Well if that isn't just about the most evil thing you could openly admit to doing. (thelemmy.club) submitted 4 days ago* by ShutUpWesley@piefed.zip to c/workreform@lemmy.world 239 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -7 points 4 days ago (1 child) All public sector unions should be disbanded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) I work in the public sector working in health and fitness. Should my union be dismantled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Yes if you are a public sector employee. There's not an owner or management for you to negotiate against permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (2 children) Yes. All public sector unions. There isn't a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where "management" essentially agrees to anything as there's no benefit to disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 days ago* If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less. We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession. In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 child) I work in the public sector working in health and fitness. Should my union be dismantled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Yes if you are a public sector employee. There's not an owner or management for you to negotiate against permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (2 children) Yes. All public sector unions. There isn't a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where "management" essentially agrees to anything as there's no benefit to disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 days ago* If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less. We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession. In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 days ago (1 child) Yes if you are a public sector employee. There's not an owner or management for you to negotiate against permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (2 children) Yes. All public sector unions. There isn't a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where "management" essentially agrees to anything as there's no benefit to disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 days ago* If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less. We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession. In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 child) There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (2 children) Yes. All public sector unions. There isn't a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where "management" essentially agrees to anything as there's no benefit to disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 days ago* If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less. We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession. In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (2 children) Yes. All public sector unions. There isn't a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where "management" essentially agrees to anything as there's no benefit to disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 days ago* If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less. We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession. In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 days ago* If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less. We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession. In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever. permalink fedilink source parent