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[–] 50 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

How the hell does anyone look at the state of far-right politics globally and think 'I want that for my country'?

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 17 hours ago*

    Yeah from the perspective of the US it feels like I fell into a sewage pit and started yelling for help until a bunch of people saw me from the rim... at which point they start clapping and cheering and charge down the hill as fast they can to join me like they are chasing a cheese wheel.

    It is horrifying madness.

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  • [–] 7 points 15 hours ago

    They are looking at the right wing through the prism of rw oligarch controlled media. It's like they are getting their news from the palantir (seeing stones,) with sauron on another stone mind fucking their dumbasses.

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  • [–] 10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    TLDR: Because neoliberals are leading us into oblivion. The current state of politics in Europe is completely dysfunctional. Just as Trump is a symptom of economic and political collapse, so this this.

    Like are you for or against Europe joining sanctions against Iran? Are you for or against Europe enacting sanctions against Israel and the USA? Find one of the established parties that is on the right side of these things.

    Say what you want but I think "Le Pen has pledged to take France out of NATO and the US sphere of influence" is wildly popular. You say Le Pen is insane and people voting for it is insane, but the alternative parties and media you consume are insane as well. People are increasingly in a dream world and blaming Russia or China for all our own failings (including far right parties).

    Just to be clear I do not support Le Pen's racist and Islamophobic rhetoric one bit and do not intent so vote for any far right party. But there isn't a single sane electable mass party right now in Europe that hasn't continued to support the US and Israel in their genocide and imperialism. I think only Spain's Pedro Sánchez Pérez-Castejón and suddenly found himself in lots of "scandals", but I have to read up on that.

    Europe is chaining itself to the collapsing US empire. None of them spoke out against the attacks on Iran or Venezuela. They are cowards not leaders and will bring Europe to ruin. I strongly dislike the far right politics - but the cause of that is neoliberal politics so I hate them more.

    It's INEVITABLE these parties will come to power. INEVITABLE! Why? Because people simple do not like more and more immigrants, refugees or otherwise foreigners in their countries. They simply don't. There could be like a billion refugees until 2050. This is some basic animal instinct shit that you can't argue away. And by painting ANY sensible policy against immigration as fascist they actually strengthened the actual fascists like Le Pen or AFD in Germany or Örebro in Sweden.

    And because our economic future is bleak and the neoliberals have captured all mainstream parties and believe in NOTHING. They know nothing but do more neoliberalism.

    And not everyone is so crazy about confronting Russia and escalating to WWIII. Why would any halfway selfish person in Europe want to ruin their own country over Ukraine? Fuck NATO.

    So what's left? Either hard right or hard left.

    And the democratic socialist parties almost face MORE resistance and smears against them in the media.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 16 hours ago* (1 child)

    I agree except people have no inevitable disdain for immigrants, what determines that is culture not genetics or instinct.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Probably the wrong word. Deep fears? I think as long as there is prosperity and some sane media and education you can have immigrants / refugees. But we've seen a big rise in numbers over the last two decades and face economic doom. Some European countries are now 5-8% Muslim (even though only like a quarter are actually practicing). I don't think it's so much that they are different, it's that people fear there won't be enough for everyone. And neoliberal policies do love immigrants to depress wages. And imperialist conflicts in the last decades have produced refugees en masse. Plus a gigantic wave due to climate change.

    Ideally Europe would massively invest into technology to produce more food / calories on minimal land, clean water and how to build massive green metropolis's with very low energy footprint and circular economies that can sustain themselves mostly. So we can harbor refugees in Europe or build these cities in their home countries. The alternative is genocide.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 15 hours ago

    I don’t think it’s so much that they are different, it’s that people fear there won’t be enough for everyone.

    Yes which is why immigrants are existentially necessary in societies both to provide an influx of younger people looking to find a new life and more abstractly immigrants are necessary to counteract the ingrown tendency of cultures to secrete themselves in their ways and resist change until they are obliterated.

    The future requires change and adaption, which means to get to the future we must embrace what immigrants provide rather than keep tiptoeing around dehumanizing them as much as we can without saying it outright.

    We have enough food, the starvation and suffering the world is experiencing right now is a feature not a bug.

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  • [–] 4 points 15 hours ago

    Actual left parties, I won't call them hard left as that's in relation to the conservatives that seized control of the so called center left parties, suck.

    Look at France unbowed, they aren't popular enough to win, yet they don't change what they are doing, not their positions, not their delivery. We already know we are being ganged up on by all mainstream parties with no powerful support to speak of unlike the far right.

    Yet here we are, doing the same goddamned thing. The left is fucking worthless politically at this moment in time, unless we take control and change things.

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  • [–] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    well, when after a long boring day at work, or at home cause unemployed/selfemployed or retired, you watch TV/news/sn and see that foreigners get everything for free, without even working, and bitching about La France, yes thoose ones who are always causing problems and making violences against beautiful french people, allied with leftists, and ecologists that want to take our liberty with their standards and regulations, after few months of hearing this speech you begin to integrate it.

    disclaimer : yes it was sacarsm.

    problem : many people have the same speech, and it is so similar that it becomes obvious they did not think about it from themselves, it is propaganda digested and spat. Billionnaires bought medias, and thoose media are normalizing hate speech since almost a decade now.

    Apologies for bad wording, I'm a bit angry cause this lobotomy is reaching people closer and closer. Even people I thought had a brain are now braindead, please be careful guys and don't pause your critical thinking when consuming news.

    Some hope : thoose surveys are shit.

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  • [–] 3 points 16 hours ago

    I have always said: the people I hate MOST in this world are not the billionaires, but the fucking PROPAGANDISTS that actually make the billionaires wishes possible.

    There is no punishment too horrid, no bridge too far, for what I'd want to have happen to these fucking scum that literally destroy society. I don't wish death on them, I wish for perpetual medieval style torture for them. Keep them living but keep them in an iron maiden.

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