▲ 256 ▼ Ads and tracking infiltrated TVs. Now they're coming for monitors. (arstechnica.com) submitted 14 hours ago by mulcahey@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world 61 comments fedilink hide all child comments Monitor vendors are playing with fire.
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago* (3 children) Who's seriously out here connecting their monitor to the internet? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago The monitor is malware. It litterally backdoors software into systems over the hdmi connector. Windows is (stupidly) set up in a way that it just installs whatever "drivers" (ie adware) the monitor says it needs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 60 points 14 hours ago (2 children) The monitor is telling Windows to install a driver which has ads in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 35 points 14 hours ago (2 children) Keyword is Windows thank goodness for alternatives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children) Agreed - though this is likely the first step towards ads being built-in to the monitor itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 5 points 13 hours ago Yep I agree with you also I never hook up the internet to any display. It makes me sad I just had to give up my pioneer plasma recently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) You'd think so, but getting people to connect their monitor to wifi is going to be a hard sell. There has to be some useful function to sell people on, otherwise they'll join the ranks of wifi-equipped fridges and microwaves which almost never actually get connected to wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Among tech-savvy people, maybe... I'd wager that, given a pop-up on the monitor asking for the Wifi credentials, at least 80% of people would oblige it. And a non-connected monitor could still have ads, they just wouldn't be able to change them. They could either charge extra for built-in ads, or just advertise their own stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] inari@piefed.zip 6 points 12 hours ago (1 child) Linux becomes popular enough and this enshittification wave comes for us too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child) By the very nature of Linux it can't happen from a simple plug and play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago I mentioned it somewhere else, but HDMI can carry an ethernet signal. They could potentially in the future show ads without having to deal with the OS at all. Of course you can just disable the network but most people won't know how. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (1 child) My monitor ain’t telling Windows shit. #BtwIUseArch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 child) It also tells Linux, but Linux doesn't speak English so it isn't affected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago You mean enshitlish? permalink fedilink source parent [–] mulcahey@lemmy.world [S] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 child) According to the article, the monitor installs software onto connected machines, and it runs ads from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago Fuck it, Im going back to VGA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago The monitor is malware. It litterally backdoors software into systems over the hdmi connector. Windows is (stupidly) set up in a way that it just installs whatever "drivers" (ie adware) the monitor says it needs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 60 points 14 hours ago (2 children) The monitor is telling Windows to install a driver which has ads in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 35 points 14 hours ago (2 children) Keyword is Windows thank goodness for alternatives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children) Agreed - though this is likely the first step towards ads being built-in to the monitor itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 5 points 13 hours ago Yep I agree with you also I never hook up the internet to any display. It makes me sad I just had to give up my pioneer plasma recently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) You'd think so, but getting people to connect their monitor to wifi is going to be a hard sell. There has to be some useful function to sell people on, otherwise they'll join the ranks of wifi-equipped fridges and microwaves which almost never actually get connected to wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Among tech-savvy people, maybe... I'd wager that, given a pop-up on the monitor asking for the Wifi credentials, at least 80% of people would oblige it. And a non-connected monitor could still have ads, they just wouldn't be able to change them. They could either charge extra for built-in ads, or just advertise their own stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] inari@piefed.zip 6 points 12 hours ago (1 child) Linux becomes popular enough and this enshittification wave comes for us too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child) By the very nature of Linux it can't happen from a simple plug and play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago I mentioned it somewhere else, but HDMI can carry an ethernet signal. They could potentially in the future show ads without having to deal with the OS at all. Of course you can just disable the network but most people won't know how. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (1 child) My monitor ain’t telling Windows shit. #BtwIUseArch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 child) It also tells Linux, but Linux doesn't speak English so it isn't affected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago You mean enshitlish? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 35 points 14 hours ago (2 children) Keyword is Windows thank goodness for alternatives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children) Agreed - though this is likely the first step towards ads being built-in to the monitor itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 5 points 13 hours ago Yep I agree with you also I never hook up the internet to any display. It makes me sad I just had to give up my pioneer plasma recently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) You'd think so, but getting people to connect their monitor to wifi is going to be a hard sell. There has to be some useful function to sell people on, otherwise they'll join the ranks of wifi-equipped fridges and microwaves which almost never actually get connected to wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Among tech-savvy people, maybe... I'd wager that, given a pop-up on the monitor asking for the Wifi credentials, at least 80% of people would oblige it. And a non-connected monitor could still have ads, they just wouldn't be able to change them. They could either charge extra for built-in ads, or just advertise their own stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] inari@piefed.zip 6 points 12 hours ago (1 child) Linux becomes popular enough and this enshittification wave comes for us too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child) By the very nature of Linux it can't happen from a simple plug and play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago I mentioned it somewhere else, but HDMI can carry an ethernet signal. They could potentially in the future show ads without having to deal with the OS at all. Of course you can just disable the network but most people won't know how. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children) Agreed - though this is likely the first step towards ads being built-in to the monitor itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 5 points 13 hours ago Yep I agree with you also I never hook up the internet to any display. It makes me sad I just had to give up my pioneer plasma recently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) You'd think so, but getting people to connect their monitor to wifi is going to be a hard sell. There has to be some useful function to sell people on, otherwise they'll join the ranks of wifi-equipped fridges and microwaves which almost never actually get connected to wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Among tech-savvy people, maybe... I'd wager that, given a pop-up on the monitor asking for the Wifi credentials, at least 80% of people would oblige it. And a non-connected monitor could still have ads, they just wouldn't be able to change them. They could either charge extra for built-in ads, or just advertise their own stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 5 points 13 hours ago Yep I agree with you also I never hook up the internet to any display. It makes me sad I just had to give up my pioneer plasma recently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) You'd think so, but getting people to connect their monitor to wifi is going to be a hard sell. There has to be some useful function to sell people on, otherwise they'll join the ranks of wifi-equipped fridges and microwaves which almost never actually get connected to wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Among tech-savvy people, maybe... I'd wager that, given a pop-up on the monitor asking for the Wifi credentials, at least 80% of people would oblige it. And a non-connected monitor could still have ads, they just wouldn't be able to change them. They could either charge extra for built-in ads, or just advertise their own stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Among tech-savvy people, maybe... I'd wager that, given a pop-up on the monitor asking for the Wifi credentials, at least 80% of people would oblige it. And a non-connected monitor could still have ads, they just wouldn't be able to change them. They could either charge extra for built-in ads, or just advertise their own stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago I'd argue that most people would see the pop-up, dismiss it and then be unable to tell you what it said. People have had a lot of practice at ignoring things trying to get their attention, because you need that skill to get through modern life where your attention is considered someone else's property to be sold to advertisers. It isn't enough to show people ads, the manufacturer needs to be able to bill people for the ads. They need telemetry and updated ads. Built in ads aren't going to fly, especially for the manufacturer's own stuff which they could sell more effectively by not being shit to use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] inari@piefed.zip 6 points 12 hours ago (1 child) Linux becomes popular enough and this enshittification wave comes for us too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child) By the very nature of Linux it can't happen from a simple plug and play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago I mentioned it somewhere else, but HDMI can carry an ethernet signal. They could potentially in the future show ads without having to deal with the OS at all. Of course you can just disable the network but most people won't know how. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child) By the very nature of Linux it can't happen from a simple plug and play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago I mentioned it somewhere else, but HDMI can carry an ethernet signal. They could potentially in the future show ads without having to deal with the OS at all. Of course you can just disable the network but most people won't know how. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago I mentioned it somewhere else, but HDMI can carry an ethernet signal. They could potentially in the future show ads without having to deal with the OS at all. Of course you can just disable the network but most people won't know how. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (1 child) My monitor ain’t telling Windows shit. #BtwIUseArch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 child) It also tells Linux, but Linux doesn't speak English so it isn't affected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago You mean enshitlish? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 child) It also tells Linux, but Linux doesn't speak English so it isn't affected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago You mean enshitlish? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world [S] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 child) According to the article, the monitor installs software onto connected machines, and it runs ads from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago Fuck it, Im going back to VGA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago Fuck it, Im going back to VGA permalink fedilink source parent