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Every time I use podman (thelemmy.club)
submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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EDIT: For some context, I recently gave podman another go. I have a few services on my homelab server set up in docker containers, so I tried migrating to podman.

After the second major bug (open issue on github) I encountered looked like it would require completely dropping using compose files to work around, I gave up and went back to docker.

I like the idea of podman, but it’s just not stable. I’ll try again in a year or so.

As a bonus, docker’s CLI is significantly nicer.

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[–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Docker is open source though. Docker desktop is not.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    So, the Docker engine is free, just not the software under certain stipulations. See I don't like that. A weird caveat for using it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    What do you mean? I don't see any CLAs or anything like that in the source code.

    https://github.com/moby/moby

    https://github.com/docker/cli

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    This NOTICE in both repos is weird asf:

    Docker Copyright 2012-2017 Docker, Inc.

    This product includes software developed at Docker, Inc. (https://www.docker.com/).

    This product contains software (https://github.com/creack/pty) developed by Keith Rarick, licensed under the MIT License.

    The following is courtesy of our legal counsel:

    Use and transfer of Docker may be subject to certain restrictions by the United States and other governments. It is your responsibility to ensure that your use and/or transfer does not violate applicable laws.

    For more information, please see https://www.bis.doc.gov/

    See also https://www.apache.org/dev/crypto.html and/or seek legal counsel.

    Also, they do limit some kind of uses if you don't pay.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Also, they do limit some kind of uses if you don't pay.

    You mean Docker Desktop?

    Also iirc all software developed in the USA is subject to those restrictions.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    …iirc all software developed in the USA is subject to those restrictions.

    Oh, well, I didn't knew about that, yeah.

    You mean Docker Desktop?

    And, in part yes, but these restrictions also apply to docker-cli and moby, although to a lesser extent

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    And, in part yes, but these restrictions also apply to docker-cli and moby, although to a lesser extent

    What restrictions? The ones on all US software or something else?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    No, I mean, for anything beyond personal, non-commercial use, they do impose restrictions.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Use and transfer of Docker may be subject to certain restrictions by the United States and other governments. It is your responsibility to ensure that your use and/or transfer does not violate applicable laws.

    That's true of all software. It may be subject to restrictions by governments. But in this case, it seems to refer to the fact that the US restricted export of cryptographic software, and seemingly continues to restrict. See also Bernstein v. United States.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Docker desktop is not. (open source)

    Which can be a pretty big deal.

    This works out to: The product is unencumbered, but the only reliable installer is encumbered as fuck.

    That's a "no thanks", from me.

    I don't need the sword of "Docker fucking with my colleague's ability to collaborate" hanging over each of my projects.

    I'm not mad at folks using Docker for backwards compatibility. I just don't need to make the problem worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I found Docker pretty easy to install. Though apparently it's harder on windows, where they suggest you just use docker desktop, in which case, yeah, fair point. But I'd just put docker in WSL if I had the misfortune of having to use it on Windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    That's exactly what I'm doing at work. Works a treat especially since I'm fine with CLI.

    Keep in mind that some WSL configuration might be required for better experience β€” like setting networkingMode to mirrored.

    Sharing code between WSL filesystem and Windows is still somewhat of a hassle.

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