I and people around me came up similarly. A buddy remarked on a recent neighborhood shooting and said, "If they'd been whipped like we were, these things would stop, wouldn't it?“

I said, "I don't know about that. Whipping never stopped me from a behavior, but it made me slicker. Did it ever stop you?" He acknowledged it surely didn't. It's almost like authoritarianism and overindulgence are both abuse.