▲ 839 ▼ Chinese video platform Bilibili is going global to challenge Youtube (www.engadget.com) submitted 1 week ago by artifex@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 370 comments fedilink hide all child comments The China-centric video sharing platform is expanding with a new international app and an English version of its website -- with no identity verification (for now at least)
[–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) Yes! We have peertube which is actually cool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Unfortunately Peertube is going to be... very difficult to scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children) It needs more people to engage and more exposure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) This won't help PeerTube become mainstream either. Hosting videos is extremely expensive, thus there is a financial incentive against hosting a PeerTube instance. Unless PeerTube fixes the incentives, it won't be sustainable long-term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago They should do something like Nebula. A subscription maybe in cryptocoins so you still get privacy over your credit card. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's more that (as I understand it) the storage requirements increase exponentially relative to the number of users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Ah, I was misremembering an aspect - though the requirement is still there that as users join the storage* requirements will increase in the worst case exponentially, it's not inherent to the ideal system, rather it's a byproduct of cacheing requirements. At a certain point there will be enough users that popular content being accessed will overwhelm the instance hosting it - this is somewhat fixed by caching popular videos on other instances, but as the network of instances grows the need for cached resources grows with it. There may be ways to get around this, if so I'm simply not familiar enough with the current state of the software to know what those solutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) Unfortunately Peertube is going to be... very difficult to scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children) It needs more people to engage and more exposure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) This won't help PeerTube become mainstream either. Hosting videos is extremely expensive, thus there is a financial incentive against hosting a PeerTube instance. Unless PeerTube fixes the incentives, it won't be sustainable long-term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago They should do something like Nebula. A subscription maybe in cryptocoins so you still get privacy over your credit card. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's more that (as I understand it) the storage requirements increase exponentially relative to the number of users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Ah, I was misremembering an aspect - though the requirement is still there that as users join the storage* requirements will increase in the worst case exponentially, it's not inherent to the ideal system, rather it's a byproduct of cacheing requirements. At a certain point there will be enough users that popular content being accessed will overwhelm the instance hosting it - this is somewhat fixed by caching popular videos on other instances, but as the network of instances grows the need for cached resources grows with it. There may be ways to get around this, if so I'm simply not familiar enough with the current state of the software to know what those solutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children) It needs more people to engage and more exposure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) This won't help PeerTube become mainstream either. Hosting videos is extremely expensive, thus there is a financial incentive against hosting a PeerTube instance. Unless PeerTube fixes the incentives, it won't be sustainable long-term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago They should do something like Nebula. A subscription maybe in cryptocoins so you still get privacy over your credit card. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's more that (as I understand it) the storage requirements increase exponentially relative to the number of users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Ah, I was misremembering an aspect - though the requirement is still there that as users join the storage* requirements will increase in the worst case exponentially, it's not inherent to the ideal system, rather it's a byproduct of cacheing requirements. At a certain point there will be enough users that popular content being accessed will overwhelm the instance hosting it - this is somewhat fixed by caching popular videos on other instances, but as the network of instances grows the need for cached resources grows with it. There may be ways to get around this, if so I'm simply not familiar enough with the current state of the software to know what those solutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) This won't help PeerTube become mainstream either. Hosting videos is extremely expensive, thus there is a financial incentive against hosting a PeerTube instance. Unless PeerTube fixes the incentives, it won't be sustainable long-term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago They should do something like Nebula. A subscription maybe in cryptocoins so you still get privacy over your credit card. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NokkR6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago They should do something like Nebula. A subscription maybe in cryptocoins so you still get privacy over your credit card. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) It's more that (as I understand it) the storage requirements increase exponentially relative to the number of users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Ah, I was misremembering an aspect - though the requirement is still there that as users join the storage* requirements will increase in the worst case exponentially, it's not inherent to the ideal system, rather it's a byproduct of cacheing requirements. At a certain point there will be enough users that popular content being accessed will overwhelm the instance hosting it - this is somewhat fixed by caching popular videos on other instances, but as the network of instances grows the need for cached resources grows with it. There may be ways to get around this, if so I'm simply not familiar enough with the current state of the software to know what those solutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Ah, I was misremembering an aspect - though the requirement is still there that as users join the storage* requirements will increase in the worst case exponentially, it's not inherent to the ideal system, rather it's a byproduct of cacheing requirements. At a certain point there will be enough users that popular content being accessed will overwhelm the instance hosting it - this is somewhat fixed by caching popular videos on other instances, but as the network of instances grows the need for cached resources grows with it. There may be ways to get around this, if so I'm simply not familiar enough with the current state of the software to know what those solutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Ah, I was misremembering an aspect - though the requirement is still there that as users join the storage* requirements will increase in the worst case exponentially, it's not inherent to the ideal system, rather it's a byproduct of cacheing requirements. At a certain point there will be enough users that popular content being accessed will overwhelm the instance hosting it - this is somewhat fixed by caching popular videos on other instances, but as the network of instances grows the need for cached resources grows with it. There may be ways to get around this, if so I'm simply not familiar enough with the current state of the software to know what those solutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) nah i think that the storage requirement grows approximately linear with the number of users, and maybe in the worst case quadratically; but the typical case should be linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* In an ideal scenario for sure, but in implementation you're going to run into issues like network throughput and resource access distribution optimization (i.e. feynman parallarity). I got out of the house without a whiteboard or a single grad student (you just never remember the important things) so I can't confirm more than napkin math, but you may indeed be right that it's at worst quadratic. permalink fedilink source parent