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[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

I'm already tired of the Ultra moniker and it's only been like a week since they moved on from tankie. I find it really odd to be against electoralism in the Empire when that's where the masses are. Elections have a long history and people love voting.

The reality is once your candidates win and invariably they are tied-up by the systemyou have something to point to. When they don't follow through on their promises you can once again ask for more and point to elections are not enough. A win-win for organizers. Even Kshama's long standing criticism of the progressive Dems can only be done because they won elections. It gives all of us a frame of reference, including those in power.

But anyways the article is mid. Kshama and those around her are awful at organizing the masses, but good at getting a select few to be devout to the Kshama banner and that's the last thing we need. Organizers talk about the $15 min wage they did more than a decade ago (in collaboration with other orgs and unions) as their big claim. There have been no new leaders that have come from their movement and anytime a new socialist steps up outside their org in the community Kshama immediately comes out to shit on them. I really hope they go away, but I know they have the funding to continue fucking up organizing for a long time.

PSL are not Trots, Trots whole MO is to be sectarian.

[-] free_casc@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

I think you're analysis is really good! Pretty much aligns with my takeaways too. I dont care too much ub for the article itself, but we should be taking a hard look at the "Sawant left" just like everything else (whether successful or not)

[-] JimLarkin@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

If voting ever changed anything...

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

I pointed to quite a few things in this comment that it changes for organizers. If you are a socialist and don't consider yourself an organizer, you're a complainer on a the internet. What does that change?

[-] JimLarkin@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

What does doing what's been done for a hundred years change?

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Growing a leftist bloc in the belly of the beast has not seen anywhere close to this much motion in my lifetime. Your job as an organizer is not to naval gaze at libs and reactionaries for liking to vote. It's to go to where the working class is currently at and funnel them into a movement of class solidarity.

[-] JimLarkin@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

Then you're a lot younger than me. Agree with the rest. I disagree that bourgeois democracy is a movement of class solidarity. It's a static rock of the status quo. They will not allow any candidates who threaten them. And until after however long it takes to realise this, you'll be back here with me.

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

I think a lot of this swell is coming from the remnants of the Sanders ratfucking. So I think it's worth pursuing electoralism even if it's frustrated by capital as it sharpens contradictions and radicalizes the working class.

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

bourgeois democracy is where the masses currently engage in politics. Getting DSA people elected helps us with not getting thrown into camps and killed which is what the current government is doing and also helps to bring people into a funnel towards communism. The ends is not the means.

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