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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by WhyEssEff@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

what's the end goal here Zohran. 'Socialism' (actually social democracy) but with a roving gang of armed and organized fascists that we just ignore? are we just going to kick the issue of systemic racism down the road because it's "woke 1" to even talk about, until it becomes a powder keg again? this is the actual internal DSA white chauvinism contradiction that MSM are clawing to find but they won't use it as a real wedge because it'd increase the salience of Defund again

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[-] junebug2@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

i do not want reactionary trans women to be V-coded in place of poor ones. i do not want conservative South African migrants stripped from their families at the border in place of Hispanic ones. i do not want black capitalists kept in former cotton plantations in place of poor ones. If you want to advocate for re-education camps, i’m right behind you. The word ‘prison’ in the United States of America implies a specific institution with a specific history, inseparable from the most depraved aspects of the country.

History shows that revolution will need to be defended from reaction and counter-attack, from without and within. That is not an excuse to take the tools of the old regime and whip them around. A hypothetical Turtle Island Liberation Army would inevitably come across stores of depleted uranium and white phosphorus. The responsible thing to do would be to safely dispose of the toxins, not hurl them into more soil and more children because the reactionaries live there. i see the carceral state, with its generational legacy of processing migrants, queers, the unhoused, and the mentally ill, as the social policy equivalent of white phosphorus.

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think you are making a lot of assumptions and what people are saying out of a valid place of care and a desire to see a harmful system being ended. I just don't think anyone here is even slightly advocating for the things you are worried about. Even the other person who is essentially saying prisons should exist for people who refuse to exist in society without harming others isn't saying anything like what you are worried about.

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