▲ 94 ▼ Ukraine says all civilians are military targets (thelemmy.club) submitted 2 months ago by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [M] to c/ManufacturingConsent@lemmy.ml 157 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] boywar3@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (7 children) Does that say "we consider civilians military targets?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children) Yes. Edit: and not only do they say that, they also practice it by showing have shown that they have no qualms about killing civilians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boywar3@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) Oh? Does it? Can you point to where it says "we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?" I don't see any evidence to back up the claim, so I'm afraid I can't agree to your assertion. A single image that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways (as I describe elsewhere in fact), is not any sort of proof I consider valid. I'm greatly interested if you have other evidence to suggest the claim is true, as that would constitute a significant crime. Edit (as it appears you have included further context in an edit): What I am wanting to see is a documented pattern of Ukrainian military personnel attacking civilians. I'm not talking about buildings - I want to see the UAF doing the same shit the IDF does to innocent Palestinians (that the world chooses to ignore). Modern mechanized warfare by definition effectively forces civilian and military targets together because they rely on the same infrastructure to function (power plants, railroads, bridges, etc.) Does that make striking those things right? Well, no, but war itself isn't exactly "right," but striking those targets for their military value with civilian impact being collateral damage is a far cry from the IDF's double-tapping of aid workers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago Just today Ukraine killed 13 civilians and wounded another 80. They also suicide-bombed a restaurant last week. This is inexcusable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago Can you point to where it says “we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?” Can you point to where Charlie Kirk ever said "I am racist"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children) ...Yes? How does saying ordinary russians are to blame, depicting them holding AKs, imply anything else? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] boywar3@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago Even if it's implying lesser culpability, how does that not imply civilians are legitimate targets, when it's still implying culpability? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children) Yes. Edit: and not only do they say that, they also practice it by showing have shown that they have no qualms about killing civilians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boywar3@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) Oh? Does it? Can you point to where it says "we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?" I don't see any evidence to back up the claim, so I'm afraid I can't agree to your assertion. A single image that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways (as I describe elsewhere in fact), is not any sort of proof I consider valid. I'm greatly interested if you have other evidence to suggest the claim is true, as that would constitute a significant crime. Edit (as it appears you have included further context in an edit): What I am wanting to see is a documented pattern of Ukrainian military personnel attacking civilians. I'm not talking about buildings - I want to see the UAF doing the same shit the IDF does to innocent Palestinians (that the world chooses to ignore). Modern mechanized warfare by definition effectively forces civilian and military targets together because they rely on the same infrastructure to function (power plants, railroads, bridges, etc.) Does that make striking those things right? Well, no, but war itself isn't exactly "right," but striking those targets for their military value with civilian impact being collateral damage is a far cry from the IDF's double-tapping of aid workers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago Just today Ukraine killed 13 civilians and wounded another 80. They also suicide-bombed a restaurant last week. This is inexcusable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago Can you point to where it says “we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?” Can you point to where Charlie Kirk ever said "I am racist"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boywar3@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) Oh? Does it? Can you point to where it says "we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?" I don't see any evidence to back up the claim, so I'm afraid I can't agree to your assertion. A single image that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways (as I describe elsewhere in fact), is not any sort of proof I consider valid. I'm greatly interested if you have other evidence to suggest the claim is true, as that would constitute a significant crime. Edit (as it appears you have included further context in an edit): What I am wanting to see is a documented pattern of Ukrainian military personnel attacking civilians. I'm not talking about buildings - I want to see the UAF doing the same shit the IDF does to innocent Palestinians (that the world chooses to ignore). Modern mechanized warfare by definition effectively forces civilian and military targets together because they rely on the same infrastructure to function (power plants, railroads, bridges, etc.) Does that make striking those things right? Well, no, but war itself isn't exactly "right," but striking those targets for their military value with civilian impact being collateral damage is a far cry from the IDF's double-tapping of aid workers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago Just today Ukraine killed 13 civilians and wounded another 80. They also suicide-bombed a restaurant last week. This is inexcusable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago Can you point to where it says “we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?” Can you point to where Charlie Kirk ever said "I am racist"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago Just today Ukraine killed 13 civilians and wounded another 80. They also suicide-bombed a restaurant last week. This is inexcusable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago Can you point to where it says “we, the Ukrainian government are proclaiming to the world that we are targeting civilians?” Can you point to where Charlie Kirk ever said "I am racist"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children) ...Yes? How does saying ordinary russians are to blame, depicting them holding AKs, imply anything else? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] boywar3@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago Even if it's implying lesser culpability, how does that not imply civilians are legitimate targets, when it's still implying culpability? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] boywar3@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago Even if it's implying lesser culpability, how does that not imply civilians are legitimate targets, when it's still implying culpability? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago Even if it's implying lesser culpability, how does that not imply civilians are legitimate targets, when it's still implying culpability? permalink fedilink source parent