The memes of the climate

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

yeah I actually thought the comment was agreeing with you based on the graphs.

https://aussie.zone/post/32561882

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

I'm confused

It’s a graph about proportion, meaningless for our debate.

You said it's flat but it's clearly not, as seen in the first image renewables in the form of solar and battery are now hitting fossil fuels from both ends

For example we can see battery is taking over gasses peaking role:

We can see EV adoption is shrinking oil's role:

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025/outlook-for-energy-demand

“Keeping fossil generation flat”, while a part of this increase is caused by the transition itself is not a win. You just remade the point I made myself.

We're both looking at the same graph and reading it differently

You're pointing to the historical record showing how fossil fuel usage is flat and renewables is only covering the new increased demand

I'm pointing to the trend showing increasing renewables growth including for the first time renewables not only covering all increased electricity demand but also existing demand decreasing fossil fuel use

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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works [S] -1 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

You said it's flat but it's clearly not

It is, and your own graph says that explicitly in its title… The proportion of renewable is growing; the absolute numbers are flat. The proportion is meaningless : there's still as much pollution produced as before. More even.

but also existing demand decreasing fossil fuel use

None of your graphs showed that, only the one about Australia; and it's the global one that counts.

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https://www.iea.org/news/global-energy-demand-growth-was-met-by-diverse-range-of-sources-in-2025-led-by-solar-and-then-gas

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

It is, and your own graph says that explicitly in its title…

Yes for 2025 only, you don't seem to have noticed that in previous years fossil fuel use also increased to help cover increased electricity demand, I've highlighted this here:

In 2025 not only was renewables covering all new electricity demand but also existing demand decreasing fossil fuel use

Solar PV was the single largest contributor to growth in global energy supply in 2025, accounting for more than 25% of the increase – the first time on record that a modern renewable source has led global primary energy supply growth. Natural gas took the next largest share, at 17%, reflecting its role in power generation in many countries. Overall, renewable sources and nuclear met nearly 60% of all growth in energy demand – and power generation from these sources exceeded total growth in electricity demand.

The last line is most important:

power generation from these sources exceeded total growth in electricity demand

As seen in original post, renewables deployment is accelerating and covering all growth and reducing fossil fuel use in existing electricity demand, I'm super confident we'll soon see it cover all energy demand

This was from 2025:

Global oil demand rose by 0.7%, in line with IEA projections. This reflected continued growth of electric vehicles, which constrained demand for road fuels. Electric car sales in 2025 increased by over 20% to more than 20 million units – making up around one in four new car sales worldwide

want a free preview of 2026?

Global oil demand is forecast to decline by 1.1 mb/d y-o-y in 2026.

https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-june-2026

Turns out Russian refineries being hit by Ukranian drones every few days isn't good for Russians trying to buy petrol nor is it good for exports

On top of this a certain Iran/US war has helped more people move to EV's than ever before

EV enthusiasm continues as research detects lasting consumer shift

"What the numbers are telling us is that we are actually moving into a new phase," said Andrea Pellegrini, a lecturer and researcher at the Institute of Transport and Logistics Studies at the University of Sydney.

"Now actually we are kind of going into a phase where the market is becoming more mature."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-05/tesla-hits-record-in-july-as-ev-sales-close-in-on-petrol-cars/106996416

Stay positive my friend ;)

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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

I just think you’re confusing "better" with "good." Are these figures better? Yes, slightly. Are they encouraging? No, they remain catastrophic. We are far—really, very far—from the figures needed to avoid a collapse. Just look at this graph from the report you’re citing. It’s still rising, and it’s going to keep rising. And simply converting a portion—even a majority—of the increase in demand won’t bring that curve down (and to quote your report again, it was low energy demand that made these results possible, they say that in the first paragraph).

Now, get me right: I am not opposed to renewable energy. It is the way forward. But industry uses renewables to slow down the transition, promising a "green" future without requiring any significant changes to our habits. That is a lie. A lie that will cost millions of lives. Renewable energy can only work as a solution if energy demand drops drastically; if we use it to keep increasing consumption, it is completely counterproductive.

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https://www.iea.org/reports/global-energy-review-2026/technology-solar-pv-and-wind#abstract

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Just look at this graph from the report you’re citing.

I prefer this one ;)

and this one:

https://explore.openelectricity.org.au/energy/nem/?range=all&interval=1M&view=discrete-time&group=Detailed&hide=battery_charging%2Cpumps%2Ccoal_brown%2Ccoal_black%2Cbioenergy_biomass%2Cdistillate%2Cgas_steam%2Cgas_ccgt%2Cgas_ocgt%2Cgas_recip%2Cgas_wcmg%2Chydro%2Cwind%2Csolar_utility%2Csolar_rooftop

and this one:

Analysis: Wind and solar power overtake fossil fuels in Germany for first time ever

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-wind-and-solar-power-overtake-fossil-fuels-in-germany-for-first-time-ever

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A lie that will cost millions of lives

Eh 60-75 million people died in ww2 and that was entirely man made problem, I'm just thankful renewables are somewhat economically competitive at all otherwise that co2 graph you pointed out earlier would be a straight line going vertical

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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

That's called cherrypicking. The importance of statistics is not linked to the good feelings they provide. Germany and Australia could be net-zero today, that wouldn't change the global problem at all. The worldwide statistics are enough, and they're horrible. A little better, but still very much horrible.

I'm just thankful renewables are somewhat economically competitive at all otherwise that co2 graph you pointed out earlier would be a straight line going vertical

That won't make a big difference. It's not much better than a straight line… and it's without taking into account the other kinds of pollution, as dangerous as CO2, the deforestation, the free fall of biodiversity, the “tipping points” we're trespassing (and that we may wouldn't have trespassed without the industrial lie about “green energy”).

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