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[–] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm dutch, and I hate that every time fuel costs increase we get a discussion about lowering taxes because the "poor people" need to be able to drive to work. We have practically perfect public transport and poor people cannot afford a car. Give a discount on train tickets instead please.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    even disregarding public transport it makes no sense, because surely poor people don't live places where they need a car to get around? For people to qualify as "poor" in my eyes they're going to be living in an apartment, everything else is so horrifyingly expensive that you'd only be poor because you're spending 75% of your salary on housing.

    And apartments almost universally exist in cities, near where people go to work and near stores. So poor people are by far more likely to get by just fine with a regular fucking bicycle.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    I know and was a poor person('s) with a car. Keep in mind me car cost me about €600 a year including tax, insurance and fixing it(somethins I do myself or with friends) now. And I'm not considered social minimum anymore.

    So owning a car is expensive(€600 a year is a lot of money), but I doesn't mean poor people don't have them.

    Higher fuel prices suck, we can me the decision to not eat at a restaurant anymore once a month, but some people can't. But lowering the taxes for everybody is just stupid.

    I hate that I need to own a car. Or anybody for that matter. I live in a village of 6000, no train and a bus one-time a hour (in rush hours 2 times a hour). I can't make it home when my work ends at 22 and can't make it to work when I need to start at 8.

    The only solution in my eyes would be cheap or free(it's is still cheaper in gasoline to take the car then the bus) public transport and more. There are a lot of village's and cities where you are very limited in public transport. So just cheaper train tickets not gonna help a lot of people not near a train stations. We need to invest in public transport (and I do prefer public owned and not for profit in any way)

    We and many friends really loved the cheaper ticket for the train this summer. (Bit annoying it didn't include bus, metro and tram) For some €50 a month was still a lot of money. But we all enjoyed it. Seeing friends and family. So yeah cheap train tickets helps a bit, but especially for work related or medical appointment isn't practically perfect)

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