▲ 87 ▼ As Climate-Fuelled Wildfires Rage, Canadian PM Mark Carney Cuts Emergency Response and Funds Fossil Fuels (www.desmog.com) submitted 1 month ago by livligkinkajou@slrpnk.net to c/canada@lemmy.ca 19 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago (2 children) You were supposed to be a liberal. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (4 children) Liberal doesn't mean jack anymore. He's a centrist banker, always was. He's leagues better than PP, but he's no friend of the left. I really hope the NDP can get their shit together. Canada is looking like US politics v0.5 right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago Carney would be a Conservative PM if the party hadn't recruited Alberta nutjobs and chose Poilievre as their loser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) Centrist? He is a conservative. And no, I am going to say he is no much better than PP. PP would have done much of the same, but he would have been making a fool of himself and the process and failing harder at it. Carney is doing it in a bland manner and that is what makes him scary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah, I would agree that the overton window has shifted and the centre in Canada today would be considered the conservatives of the past. I also agree that many of the policies Carney's implementing could have been put forth under a PP lead Conservative Party, but I think the damage would have been worse. As many others have pointed out, Canada takes cues from US politics and Trump style "leadership" is horribly toxic to our democracy. We have to fight to push away the idea that PP is even a viable candidate, because as soon as we do, if he wins, then that Pandora's box will have been opened. Right now I feel as if we're peeking inside it. Ford and Smith are both populist weasels and are showing that diluted Trumpian playbooks can be successful here. I fear it's only a matter of time before we fling it open and then there's no going back. Right now we have the choice between the lesser of two conservative governments. Let Trump politics take hold and we'll be choosing between a stable conservative government and a wrecking ball, and then we can kiss any chance of leftist politics goodbye as people scramble to just maintain order. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Canada has always followed the US just a few years behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago The whole country chronically elects MAGA premieres. People quickly forget Doug Ford's ass kissing of Trump, or Smith waiting outside in a cold parking lot waiting to kiss the ring last year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yes, that's mostly true. It was before I was born, but it seems like Canada had it's own identity forged after the fighting of WWII, but that has been eroding ever since. Good ideas like CanCon tried to maintain this, but it seems largely futile against the behemoth that is the US media/economy. We're now in this delayed lock step with the US, but I don't see why that trend has to continue. There were of course people opposed to free trade, offshoring and neoliberalism when the US took that path, but those took decades to show their full effect. The US healthcare and political system, however, are currently recognised as dysfunctional, yet we're trying to adopt them? Why? We now have access to more data than ever before, instantly at our fingertips that shows these are bad paths to go down, but people are overloaded and don't seem to want to think long term anymore. We got a lot of traction with elbows up, and we need to find a way to keep that Canadian identity alive, otherwise everything that differentiates is from the US will continue to erode. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago Yeah same here. That's who I would like to see in power. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago Trudeau was a liberal? There is no fundamental difference between these parties. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (4 children) Liberal doesn't mean jack anymore. He's a centrist banker, always was. He's leagues better than PP, but he's no friend of the left. I really hope the NDP can get their shit together. Canada is looking like US politics v0.5 right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago Carney would be a Conservative PM if the party hadn't recruited Alberta nutjobs and chose Poilievre as their loser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) Centrist? He is a conservative. And no, I am going to say he is no much better than PP. PP would have done much of the same, but he would have been making a fool of himself and the process and failing harder at it. Carney is doing it in a bland manner and that is what makes him scary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah, I would agree that the overton window has shifted and the centre in Canada today would be considered the conservatives of the past. I also agree that many of the policies Carney's implementing could have been put forth under a PP lead Conservative Party, but I think the damage would have been worse. As many others have pointed out, Canada takes cues from US politics and Trump style "leadership" is horribly toxic to our democracy. We have to fight to push away the idea that PP is even a viable candidate, because as soon as we do, if he wins, then that Pandora's box will have been opened. Right now I feel as if we're peeking inside it. Ford and Smith are both populist weasels and are showing that diluted Trumpian playbooks can be successful here. I fear it's only a matter of time before we fling it open and then there's no going back. Right now we have the choice between the lesser of two conservative governments. Let Trump politics take hold and we'll be choosing between a stable conservative government and a wrecking ball, and then we can kiss any chance of leftist politics goodbye as people scramble to just maintain order. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Canada has always followed the US just a few years behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago The whole country chronically elects MAGA premieres. People quickly forget Doug Ford's ass kissing of Trump, or Smith waiting outside in a cold parking lot waiting to kiss the ring last year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yes, that's mostly true. It was before I was born, but it seems like Canada had it's own identity forged after the fighting of WWII, but that has been eroding ever since. Good ideas like CanCon tried to maintain this, but it seems largely futile against the behemoth that is the US media/economy. We're now in this delayed lock step with the US, but I don't see why that trend has to continue. There were of course people opposed to free trade, offshoring and neoliberalism when the US took that path, but those took decades to show their full effect. The US healthcare and political system, however, are currently recognised as dysfunctional, yet we're trying to adopt them? Why? We now have access to more data than ever before, instantly at our fingertips that shows these are bad paths to go down, but people are overloaded and don't seem to want to think long term anymore. We got a lot of traction with elbows up, and we need to find a way to keep that Canadian identity alive, otherwise everything that differentiates is from the US will continue to erode. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago Yeah same here. That's who I would like to see in power. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago Carney would be a Conservative PM if the party hadn't recruited Alberta nutjobs and chose Poilievre as their loser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) Centrist? He is a conservative. And no, I am going to say he is no much better than PP. PP would have done much of the same, but he would have been making a fool of himself and the process and failing harder at it. Carney is doing it in a bland manner and that is what makes him scary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah, I would agree that the overton window has shifted and the centre in Canada today would be considered the conservatives of the past. I also agree that many of the policies Carney's implementing could have been put forth under a PP lead Conservative Party, but I think the damage would have been worse. As many others have pointed out, Canada takes cues from US politics and Trump style "leadership" is horribly toxic to our democracy. We have to fight to push away the idea that PP is even a viable candidate, because as soon as we do, if he wins, then that Pandora's box will have been opened. Right now I feel as if we're peeking inside it. Ford and Smith are both populist weasels and are showing that diluted Trumpian playbooks can be successful here. I fear it's only a matter of time before we fling it open and then there's no going back. Right now we have the choice between the lesser of two conservative governments. Let Trump politics take hold and we'll be choosing between a stable conservative government and a wrecking ball, and then we can kiss any chance of leftist politics goodbye as people scramble to just maintain order. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yeah, I would agree that the overton window has shifted and the centre in Canada today would be considered the conservatives of the past. I also agree that many of the policies Carney's implementing could have been put forth under a PP lead Conservative Party, but I think the damage would have been worse. As many others have pointed out, Canada takes cues from US politics and Trump style "leadership" is horribly toxic to our democracy. We have to fight to push away the idea that PP is even a viable candidate, because as soon as we do, if he wins, then that Pandora's box will have been opened. Right now I feel as if we're peeking inside it. Ford and Smith are both populist weasels and are showing that diluted Trumpian playbooks can be successful here. I fear it's only a matter of time before we fling it open and then there's no going back. Right now we have the choice between the lesser of two conservative governments. Let Trump politics take hold and we'll be choosing between a stable conservative government and a wrecking ball, and then we can kiss any chance of leftist politics goodbye as people scramble to just maintain order. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Canada has always followed the US just a few years behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago The whole country chronically elects MAGA premieres. People quickly forget Doug Ford's ass kissing of Trump, or Smith waiting outside in a cold parking lot waiting to kiss the ring last year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yes, that's mostly true. It was before I was born, but it seems like Canada had it's own identity forged after the fighting of WWII, but that has been eroding ever since. Good ideas like CanCon tried to maintain this, but it seems largely futile against the behemoth that is the US media/economy. We're now in this delayed lock step with the US, but I don't see why that trend has to continue. There were of course people opposed to free trade, offshoring and neoliberalism when the US took that path, but those took decades to show their full effect. The US healthcare and political system, however, are currently recognised as dysfunctional, yet we're trying to adopt them? Why? We now have access to more data than ever before, instantly at our fingertips that shows these are bad paths to go down, but people are overloaded and don't seem to want to think long term anymore. We got a lot of traction with elbows up, and we need to find a way to keep that Canadian identity alive, otherwise everything that differentiates is from the US will continue to erode. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago The whole country chronically elects MAGA premieres. People quickly forget Doug Ford's ass kissing of Trump, or Smith waiting outside in a cold parking lot waiting to kiss the ring last year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Yes, that's mostly true. It was before I was born, but it seems like Canada had it's own identity forged after the fighting of WWII, but that has been eroding ever since. Good ideas like CanCon tried to maintain this, but it seems largely futile against the behemoth that is the US media/economy. We're now in this delayed lock step with the US, but I don't see why that trend has to continue. There were of course people opposed to free trade, offshoring and neoliberalism when the US took that path, but those took decades to show their full effect. The US healthcare and political system, however, are currently recognised as dysfunctional, yet we're trying to adopt them? Why? We now have access to more data than ever before, instantly at our fingertips that shows these are bad paths to go down, but people are overloaded and don't seem to want to think long term anymore. We got a lot of traction with elbows up, and we need to find a way to keep that Canadian identity alive, otherwise everything that differentiates is from the US will continue to erode. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago Yeah same here. That's who I would like to see in power. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago Trudeau was a liberal? There is no fundamental difference between these parties. permalink fedilink source parent