▲ 766 ▼ Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 weeks ago by Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 386 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Vikthor@piefed.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) No government can wage a war for twelve years against wishes of their own population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Krono@lemmy.today 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan? The US population elected a president who was promising to end the Afghanistan War in 2008. That war ended in 2021. That's at least 12 years of war against the wishes of the majority. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Good question. For most of those years (goes for both wars) they just straight up lied about how bad things were going. Then there's the propaganda. Holy hell, so much propaganda. Like not saying you're wrong by asking that question but there are ways of selling unpopular wars. Added to this, capitalists fucking LOVE wars. And without breaking capitalism all they're really going to do about the majority coming out against war is say 'yeah, what the fuck are you gonna do about it then?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) capitalists fucking LOVE wars Wait, I thought China was capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How many Chinese billionaires are there again, I forgot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, that's the idea! China is capitalist but capitalists fucking LOVE wars And China hasn't fired on a ship since 1988 and hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989. So is it that capitalists love wars or that China isn't capitalist? I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan? The Americans were asking for it. Did you see how they were dressed? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) History says you are so, so wrong. Indisputably wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vikthor@piefed.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* Am I? In all those long conflicts the population was at first at least indifferent(Like the US in the Vietnam war or USSR in Afghanistan war) or outright supportive(Like the US in their Afghanistan war) and after the public opinion changed the wars quickly ended. On the other hand the tsar was deposed after less than 3 years of WWI. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Damn, americans must love expensive insulin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vikthor@piefed.world -7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Ok? They might, if they wanted they could have adopted one of the European healthcare models a long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Voting is a sham in the US. whatever the owning class pays for is what we get here. They just propagandize the voters they can control and disenfranchise the rest. Regardless of what percent of the population wants something, the scales only move when the elite tip them. We don't have a true democracy here. permalink fedilink source parent [+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Krono@lemmy.today 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan? The US population elected a president who was promising to end the Afghanistan War in 2008. That war ended in 2021. That's at least 12 years of war against the wishes of the majority. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Good question. For most of those years (goes for both wars) they just straight up lied about how bad things were going. Then there's the propaganda. Holy hell, so much propaganda. Like not saying you're wrong by asking that question but there are ways of selling unpopular wars. Added to this, capitalists fucking LOVE wars. And without breaking capitalism all they're really going to do about the majority coming out against war is say 'yeah, what the fuck are you gonna do about it then?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) capitalists fucking LOVE wars Wait, I thought China was capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How many Chinese billionaires are there again, I forgot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, that's the idea! China is capitalist but capitalists fucking LOVE wars And China hasn't fired on a ship since 1988 and hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989. So is it that capitalists love wars or that China isn't capitalist? I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan? The Americans were asking for it. Did you see how they were dressed? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Good question. For most of those years (goes for both wars) they just straight up lied about how bad things were going. Then there's the propaganda. Holy hell, so much propaganda. Like not saying you're wrong by asking that question but there are ways of selling unpopular wars. Added to this, capitalists fucking LOVE wars. And without breaking capitalism all they're really going to do about the majority coming out against war is say 'yeah, what the fuck are you gonna do about it then?' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) capitalists fucking LOVE wars Wait, I thought China was capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How many Chinese billionaires are there again, I forgot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, that's the idea! China is capitalist but capitalists fucking LOVE wars And China hasn't fired on a ship since 1988 and hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989. So is it that capitalists love wars or that China isn't capitalist? I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) capitalists fucking LOVE wars Wait, I thought China was capitalist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How many Chinese billionaires are there again, I forgot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, that's the idea! China is capitalist but capitalists fucking LOVE wars And China hasn't fired on a ship since 1988 and hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989. So is it that capitalists love wars or that China isn't capitalist? I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How many Chinese billionaires are there again, I forgot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, that's the idea! China is capitalist but capitalists fucking LOVE wars And China hasn't fired on a ship since 1988 and hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989. So is it that capitalists love wars or that China isn't capitalist? I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, that's the idea! China is capitalist but capitalists fucking LOVE wars And China hasn't fired on a ship since 1988 and hasn't dropped a bomb in a conflict since 1989. So is it that capitalists love wars or that China isn't capitalist? I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive. Let's also not forget how China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor that occasionally flare up, is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts, is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army. The .ml explains a lot lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The question itself is ridiculously reductive Says the person who says "China is imperialist" and "China is capitalist" and "All capitalists love war". Not reductive at all. China has ongoing border disputes with pretty much every neighbor Yup, pretty normal stuff for a country surrounded by borders and "international norms" defined by genocidal European imperialists. is expanding its reach in the South China Sea with artificial islands that serve as military outposts Against whom I wonder? https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ is building up a massive navy and is in the process of modernizing its army I wonder why? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/ https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/us-replicator-drones-counter-china-military-mass https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-12-16/washington-preparing-wrong-war-china permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Lmfao ok buddy exactly the crashout I was hoping I'd see. Well done! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago Whatever you have to believe to help you feel better about yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan? The Americans were asking for it. Did you see how they were dressed? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) History says you are so, so wrong. Indisputably wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vikthor@piefed.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* Am I? In all those long conflicts the population was at first at least indifferent(Like the US in the Vietnam war or USSR in Afghanistan war) or outright supportive(Like the US in their Afghanistan war) and after the public opinion changed the wars quickly ended. On the other hand the tsar was deposed after less than 3 years of WWI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vikthor@piefed.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* Am I? In all those long conflicts the population was at first at least indifferent(Like the US in the Vietnam war or USSR in Afghanistan war) or outright supportive(Like the US in their Afghanistan war) and after the public opinion changed the wars quickly ended. On the other hand the tsar was deposed after less than 3 years of WWI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Damn, americans must love expensive insulin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Vikthor@piefed.world -7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Ok? They might, if they wanted they could have adopted one of the European healthcare models a long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Voting is a sham in the US. whatever the owning class pays for is what we get here. They just propagandize the voters they can control and disenfranchise the rest. Regardless of what percent of the population wants something, the scales only move when the elite tip them. We don't have a true democracy here. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Vikthor@piefed.world -7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Ok? They might, if they wanted they could have adopted one of the European healthcare models a long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Voting is a sham in the US. whatever the owning class pays for is what we get here. They just propagandize the voters they can control and disenfranchise the rest. Regardless of what percent of the population wants something, the scales only move when the elite tip them. We don't have a true democracy here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Voting is a sham in the US. whatever the owning class pays for is what we get here. They just propagandize the voters they can control and disenfranchise the rest. Regardless of what percent of the population wants something, the scales only move when the elite tip them. We don't have a true democracy here. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent