What search engine do you use? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 week ago by daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I'm looking for something that just gives good results with their own engine, not proxying google or yahoo, without LLMs being involved.

I've used startpage and have my own searxng instance self hosted. But both use mostly google results with just a nicer frontend.

I was looking Kagi as an alternative. But they seemed to move to become another AI company, bundling their subscription to the search engine with a subscription to an LLM, so I'm not paying for that.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I wouldn’t say Kagi has “moved to become an AI company”.

They host some open weight models, which you can use with your subscription (which hasn’t increased in price or dropped features since they added AI access), but you’re not forced to use AI ever, and they’re not collecting your searches or prompts to feed into training.

They’ve taken a pretty skeptical stance on AI from the start. You can disable AI features completely, so you don’t even accidentally use them. But even if you leave them enabled, you have to opt into invoking AI by ending your query with a question mark.

Edit: Also, they downrank content that has been flagged as AI generated: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html

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