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[-] MurrayL@lemmy.world 59 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, but he actually succeeded though.

Star Trek 2009 revived a franchise that had been dead since Nemesis, reviewed well, is still the highest grossing Trek film ever made, and regularly appears near the top of lists of the best films in the franchise.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 hours ago

Yes, you are explaining it perfectly: JJ Abrams MADE MONEY for Paramount. That's all that matters.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 47 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It really was obnoxiously enjoyable; In the words of Aurelio Voltaire, "Someone tell me why I love this film so fucking much". It wasn't golden era new gen philosophy trek, let alone the heights the series hit during the "Suck it Straczynski, we can write überplot too" era of DS9, but it was far, far from the depths that Final Frontier ~~and generations~~ took the series. Imo, it was a lot more coherent than Nemisis and had way better characterization of the villains than Insurrection, the two most "action trek" of the films. It was never going to be Khan (ranking among the most influential science fiction media period), but I don't think anyone intended it to be.

... the rest of the trilogy though, hot fucking garbage. The kirk motorcycle fight is pure power-cringe, and JJ should be executed for the whole "Bumblesnatch as Khan" fiasco.

[-] Mim@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

“Suck it Straczynski, we can write überplot too” era of DS9

I have to say I like B5 a lot better than whatever it was they tried with that on DS9.

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 14 points 12 hours ago

The kirk motorcycle fight is pure power-cringe

Absolutely, yes - it was silly.

But - the only reason we never got that motorcycle fight earlier with Shatner was lack of budget.

It doesn't fit the tone of orignal Trek because original Trek couldn't afford it, not because original Trek would not have sunk that low, if it could have. Haha.

[-] Snowcano@startrek.website 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It really was obnoxiously enjoyable

Was it though? I could see it if you changed the audio track to a language you don’t understand, because it does have a lot going for it; the production design and costumes, set design and construction are all outstanding, sound design is still some of the best there’s ever been (especially when it came to modernizing legacy sfx), obviously the vfx and novel approaches to cinematography (yes, including the lens flares) are all great, etc etc.

But literally every last thing about the story is stream of consciousness, fever dream nonsense, which in any other franchise might be forgiven, but for Star Trek of all things to have such boneheaded threads of anti-science magical thinking, noxious xenophobia and childish cruelty is unforgivable. It’s a top to bottom garbage script, ironically produced with one of the most talented film crews in sci-fi movie history, which for my money anyway, makes it even more tragic and hard to enjoy.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It wasn't a good Star Trek story, but it was a good spectacle. The whole thing was basically nostalgia with little else, between the brain worms, Spock, Romulans, Kirk being made Captain with the crew, etc.

The only thing it was really missing was the Borg and Dominion.

But I'd argue that spectacle was what Star Trek needed at the time, to make a casual audience want to watch more of the actual Star Trek, and bring it back to the cultural fore.

At that point in the 2000s, Star Trek basically had the reputation that it was a boring TV show for nerds, where you'd be watching people sit around and talk politics for an hour, over panning shots of planets and the Enterprise.

Star Trek of all things to have such boneheaded threads of anti-science magical thinking, noxious xenophobia and childish cruelty is unforgivable.

I don't know if that's necessarily true, since even the TV shows have had the Federation express those viewpoints before, with little to object against them.

If Data or the EMH MK. I were human, their treatment at the hands of Starfleet would be plainly unconscionable. Admiral Satie shows that anti-Romulan sentiment is still alive and well within the Federation, enough that she could tap it for her crusade without much pushback. Former Borg drones, like Picard, or current ones, like Hugh, are also treated with considerable hostility, even if they aren't being actively hostile.

The bigger issue that is that neither show nor film really tap into those problems within the Federation in any significant way. Data, the EMH, and the crewman Satie accused got by because they had friends amongst the crew of the Enterprise/Voyager who stood up for them, and supported them. But the wider problems in Starfleet aren't touched upon. As "Author, Author" touches on, they're treated as one-off incidents, rather than highlighting underlying problems in the Federation that need addressing.

I cannot see the Federation, after a devastating strike during the Klingon war, capturing a Klingon, then promptly ordering the creation and release of a bioweapon that deliberately targets Klingon genetics; to be released to spread amongst the population to wipe them out.

And yet after Wolf 359, that was exactly what was ordered to be done with Hugh. We know that it likely wouldn't have worked, given that they accidentally infected Hugh with individuality, and the Collective eventually cut his cube off after the episode, but the intent was for Geordi to create a memetic virus that would target the visual processing of Borg drones and kill them all that way.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

But literally every last thing about the story is stream of consciousness, fever dream nonsense, which in any other franchise might be forgiven, but for Star Trek of all things to have such boneheaded threads of anti-science magical thinking, noxious xenophobia and childish cruelty is unforgivable.

Yeah no I totally agree, Final Frontier really is just the worst.

Edit: Yeah I totally get it, I reflexively downvote any reminder that ST:V is canon too.

(lmao why is that image so huge)

But it's also really going to be hard to argue that ST:V isn't as-bad-or-worse on pretty much every item (except scope, god beats black hole gun every time) compared to ST:09. 09 wasn't a great star trek movie, but it was generally mindless fun and it revived interest in the series so we could get good stuff from STD and NSW (and great stuff from LD).

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